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Greg from JeepTales.com reports...

As I sit down to tap out this story I’m reminded of the of the old Sunday night television sitcom “Hee Haw”. Do you remember the cutaway segment, where several scantily clad young women surrounded a galvanized wash tub singing their tag line…“We’re not ones to go around repeating gossip…So you better be sure to listen close the first time!”?

During The Texas Spur Jeep Jamboree last week in Llano, TX as we sat outside our Ancira RV Motor home, visiting with our Jeeping buddies, exchanging stories and collecting thousands of photographs for the JeepTales.com website. The conversation over a few adult beverages and fine cigars turned to Jeeps, as it normally does. Without a doubt the most frequently uttered statement was: “If they build the new 2007 Jeep Wrangler in a CRD Diesel I’m in!”.

Well Jeepers it might be time to start gathering your pennies together or getting a part time Job delivering piazzas. I have now confirmed this story with not just one but three other sources. Earlier this month during a Dodge Caliper Training session in South Texas a vehicle Transport Truck was dropping off the Calipers for the training class. In order to take the Dodges off the transport the driver also had to off-load a new 2007 Jeep Wrangler 4 Door. As excited spectators watched the Transport Driver unload the Wrangler they noted that the engine sounded a lot like a diesel???

So when the Transport Driver turned his attention back to his load to finish unloading the rest of the Dodge Calipers, curious salespeople lifted the hood and guess what they saw? Yup; that’s right it had a CRD Diesel engine in it!!! According to the driver the 2007 Wrangler was on its way further south for performance testing. Does this mean that there could be a CRD diesel engine in the next generation of Jeep Wranglers? Only time will tell; I’ll keep you posted if I hear anything else.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
The gov't mandate to low-sulphur diesel is causing all sorts of chaos in the transportation industry.

For example, class 8 (large) trucks are having issues as the engines cost a great deal more to produce ($10K), get lower fuel economy and have a shorter expected life.

Less sulphur means more friction, which means more heat. If everything stays the same through 2007, you will see diesel fuel economy drop a bit from what is seen today.

If you are looking to save fuel costs with diesel, forget it.....the math does not add up.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
Mike #2

I think the C.R.D. Emissions are the result of inferior fuel, not an inferior engine.

After all, isn't that what BLUETEC is for?

Daimler Chrysler officials have been quoted in many articles stating that the CRD could pass emissions in all 50 states (even California) if the Low Sulfur Diesel was available.

And the Blutec Emissions system uses Urea to lower emissions...the only hangup right now is making the Urea cartrige available to Oil Change Facilities and parts stores for the system to work.

I believe that the C.R.D. will be an American option for the Wrangler 2 and 4 door, as well as the Gladiator. New Diesel standards kick in soon.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
New C.A.F.E. law summary here (takes awhile to download): http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/DOT/NHTSA/Rulemaking/Rules/Associated%20Files/2006FinalRule.pdf

The new m.p.g. numbers are really no big deal, and are based on fleet averages for passenger cars & light trucks. There's still plenty of wiggle room to put HEMIs in some 4dr Wrangler SRT-8's.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
Before any of us get our hopes up, there were photos of a Dodge Calibre CRD in testing (in the US) from back in December or January. There have been no reports of a Calibre CRD for the US.

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I can,t see the 2.8 CRD just dissappearing, unless there is something better down the pipe, but more importantly...

New fuel economy standards were just announced today (3/30/06) for SUV's, and they are based on vehicle length.

They begin to phase in as early as 2008, and will be in full effect by 2011. The Jeep Wrangler 2 door will have to get 25 MPG, and by 2011, it will have to get upwards of 28 MPG. (The Hummer H3 will have to get a paltry 22 MPG).

Now. at 18/20 MPG, the new (for Wrangler) V-6 gets better mileage than the old 4 Cylinder with a 6-speed, however, that is nowhere near 28 MPG, and based on the Wranglers track record of a 10 year production run, this JK version will have to conquer the new fuel economy standard that is in place.

I can't see Jeep NOT putting in a CRD engine into the Wrangler, just based on the fuel economy standards alone.

Using exotic materials such as aluminum alloys and carbon fiber, a hybrid system with cylinder de-activation and engine shut-off, and turbocharging would be the only other alternative to reach the 28 MPG goal, but would certainly add complexity and price to an already premium product.

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The 2.8L is not going to be eliminated because of fuel economy. It is due to emissions.

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RUBICON is right. The 2.8L is getting the axe due to emissions standards.

I don't know if they'll continue with a CRD KJ onces the 2.8L is gone, but I do know that a 3.0L CRD WK/XK will be available.

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Actually it will more likely be the 3.2L Bluetec engine (not the 3.0L currently used in export models) that will show up in mid-2007 or 2008 WKs (and possibly later XKs). The reason being, the 3.2L Bluetec meets all 50 states emissions requirements due to its NOX reduction system.

I don't think you will see a KJ CRD after the discontinuation of the current engine. However, you will most likely see the CRD reappear after the Liberty is redesigned.

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Just an FYI... the 2.8L's days are numbered, it won't be around after MY2007.

And as for seeing a CRD JK for testing, that's just what it was for... testing. I'd nearly bet money on the fact that it was an export-spec model, which would have been easy to tell had the sales people bothered to look at the rest of the vehicle and not just the engine.

Heck, a friend of mine has actually wheeled with CRD JKs at the Superlift ORV Park in Hot Springs, AR, when they were doing offroad testing there, but the JKs with CRDs were export models. And Jeep.com even lists the CRD as an engine choice on the new JK, but only on export models...

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
Couldn't they just be testing it for the European market?

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Unfortunately, Yes. It could easily be the only-for-export version. I saw some documentation on the Jeep.com website sometime ago regarding the 2007 Wrangler that indicated it would be available in a diesel for export only. Since then they have removed that footnote.
If only we could identify what version the diesel was? If it was the BlueTec it's definitely US. 3.0L CRD is from European Grand Cherokee and most likely export. 2.8L would be surprising given the additional weight of the 4 door Wrangler and meager 160hp output.
Ultimately I don't really care what flavor, I'll buy any of them.

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Great news! The US will finally catch up with the rest of the world and we can benefit from thirty percent improved fuel economy, better real world performance, no performance loss at altitudes, and longer engine life. This will give us far better torque than even the old 4.0 and an infinitely better performance fit than that minivan gasser. I hope DC doesn't numb and dumb this down with an auto tranny like they did the Liberty.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
The question is not if there is going to be a CRD Wrangler. The question is when will the CRD Wrangler be available in the US?

Was the it the 2.8 CRD that is in the Liberty?

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My question is what is a Dodge Caliper? :-p

But no, gladiator, I don't think it would be the Liberty diesel because that is not 50-state legal due to it's particulate emission levels. DCX has several newer generation diesels in production and/or in development that will be 50-state legal.

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I hope that you are right. Are you referring to Bluetec or some other technology?

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
As I said previously...the production Gladiator will be at next years NAIAS.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
I read somewhere that the Gladiator would be based off of both, the two-door and four-door, Wranglers. I took this to mean that there would be a standard cab and crew cab variant. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

As for the four-door, I most likely will get it to replace the Cherokee. Especially if the fuel economy is boosted.

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 Re: 4-Door Wrangler CRD Sighting?
I have read that here:

http://www.allpar.com/model/upcoming.html

Quote:
It’s possible that Jeep will start making two separate types of Wranglers, each with associated vehicles such as pickups, with two different frame lengths (as it has done in the past) — one for two door and one for four door Wranglers. The two door Wrangler has been shown; the four door has not.


I can not verify or deny these claims.
My source does say the Gladitor is a go though.
Unsure about the Scrambler.
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