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CompassBusinessWeek Slams Compass in Review
Posted by mike on 2006/10/27 14:45:00 (1690) reads

First off, who knew BusinessWeek.com did car reviews? Aren't they a business magazine? I don't see the connection. Well wait, I guess cars are a business, so that's a connection. Using that thinking, should I be finding crayon reviews in there as well?

Anywho, they think the Compass sucks. Big time.

The Compass comes with one engine option, a 2.4-liter, 4-cylinder engine that pumps out 172 horses. On paper, that's better than similar offerings from Ford, Honda, and Toyota. But in practice it all feels unrefined and underpowered on the road, especially merging into fast-moving traffic or climbing steep grades. Neither the engine's sound (noisy, rickety) nor its pickup inspire much confidence.

...snip...

The Compass' cabin is a major downer, though. It's a disaster zone of ugly, hard-edged plastics, poorly-designed ergonomics, and chintzy dials and switches. In fact, the interior was to me immediately reminiscent of the Saturn models desperately being phased out by General Motors (GM) to resuscitate that brand. These days even budget cars can't afford to feel this, well, cheap.

We're not sure why it got such a low overall rating of 0.5 out of 5 stars, the reviewer actually had some nice things to say about it (good suspension, nice interior gadgets), but I think the low rating stems partly from the fact that the reviewer claims to have been raised offroading in a Jeep Wrangler - so he may have been a little biased going in.

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didiacat
Posted: 2006/11/1 8:24  Updated: 2006/11/1 8:24
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 Re: BusinessWeek Slams Compass in Review
I own a Compass. I like it. It isn't a Wrangler. It isn't a tank. It isn't a space vehicle. It isn't anything other than what it is -- a great value, fun to drive, better than average fuel use, fine handling and it looks good. Most of the negative comments are fueled by narsasistic Jeep heads. Maybe I would feel differently if I had to commute on Rubicon trails. Lighten up dudes, it just a car.

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Posted: 2006/11/1 14:55  Updated: 2006/11/1 14:55
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 Re: BusinessWeek Slams Compass in Review
Yeah, it's just a car like you say, even though it is badged "Jeep", that's the whole point. It's not a Jeep.

It is probably a good value, but it will become a better value as we will witness DCX rebate and discount the living fire out of these rigs since they are such poor sellers. That means early buyers will likely lose thousands in resale value, because we all know what happens to resale values when the rebates and mark downs come along on the new units, at that point resale will plummit substantially.

But you're wrong about it being good looking, that little unit is butt ugly, and the interior quality is mediocre at best. Glad you lke it though because the automotive press and most of the buying public does not.

Congratulations though, because any new vehicle purchase is at least fun, and exciting. This is true no matter what brand or badge a person buys. It's most important that you like it not the rest of us.

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didiacat
Posted: 2006/11/1 16:40  Updated: 2006/11/1 16:40
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With all due respect, are you the god of 'good looks'. I like it. You don't. We are even. Oh by the way, the Compass realy looks good at the gas pump.

DCX rebates and discounts? Poor sellers. Are you aware of the thousands upon thousands of unsold "real" Jeeps on parking lots and at dealerships? Poor seller are one thing. None sellers are another. A local Jeep dealer has 170 unsold 2006 "real" jeeps and 5 unsold 2007 Compasses on his lot. And he has no room for 2007 "Real" Jeeps which are parked at a mall.

The question is not about how the Compass sells. The question is will the Jeep Brand survive? At the present rate of losses, it doesn't look good for the Brand.

Maybe the little Jeep that can ......... can also help the Brand survive.

In the end it is a matter of opinion and point of view. I respect yours.

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wjsiii
Posted: 2006/11/3 15:11  Updated: 2006/11/3 15:11
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Thank you for validating my point. Jeep is dying from what I can tell. The real Jeeps are gas hogs and are pricey so they sit on the lot. The new crossover Jeeps at this point have shown to be unsuccessful and poor first attempts and they sit on the lot. However, I do think the coming Patriot will sell better than the Compass. But the name Patriot is kind of lame, but hey that's just a name the vehicle it self looks good and has nice proportions. But I've not seen one in real life yet. The interior is hopefully better than the Compass's interior. We'll see..

Hey, I just bought a Toyota because Jeep can't lure me back. They are clearly doing something wrong, many things in my opinion.

Oh, and I'm schooled in industrial design, so I do happen to know good design when I see it. The Compass does not have it.

Never-the-less, I do hope you enjoy it, because as I said before it is most important that you like it, and it is always fun to get a new rig. I was not trying to be a butt in my previous post so don't take it that way. I"m trying to be honest.. I'm hoping DCX sees these types of comments and learns from them. I have emailed them directly too, but to me any feed back they get from all sources helps (I hope).

Anyhow, Good luck enjoy your new car.

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Posted: 2006/11/4 8:36  Updated: 2006/11/4 8:36
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As you said ---
"Hey, I just bought a Toyota because Jeep can't lure me back. They are clearly doing something wrong, many things in my opinion."

Ah, the magic words ...."I just bought a Toyota . . ."
That says it all. Appears to me that you need to validate your choice by downgrading something else. I like Toyota. Toyota produces fine vehicles.

And you state further ---
"Oh, and I'm schooled in industrial design, so I do happen to know good design when I see it. The Compass does not have it."

Your schooling is irelevant in so far as your ability to be objective. In addtion it is a bit egotistical. The people who design cars [that is those empolyed to do so] know at least as much about good design that you do.

When one looks past the surface, it may be that a good many of the negative posts come from people who are pimping some other brand.

Well --- I guess negative advertising also works for non political candidates. Enjoy the Toyota. It's a fine vehicle.

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Posted: 2006/11/4 10:53  Updated: 2006/11/4 10:53
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You hit the nail on the head, when you said his schooling is irrelevant to his being objective. I wonder if he works in the automotive industry?

Where does he get that Jeep is a dying brand? Isn't there an article on this site stating Jeep sales have increased? With the introduction of Jeep's new vehicles this year, I will go out on a limb and say they will have a very good year.

Yes, the Toyota 4Runner is a fine SUV and the Tacoma is a very good pickup truck. In my opinion, if it wasn't for Toyota, Honda, and other Japanese car companies, the American public would probably still be driving the likes of the Ford Pinto and Chevy Vega.

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Posted: 2006/10/30 11:45  Updated: 2006/10/30 11:45
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I'm not the biggest fan of the Compass but there is one small point where it deserves to be defended: "But in practice it all feels unrefined and underpowered."

The Compass has the CVT2 tranny on it. Any continuously variable transmission is going to "feel" underpowered due to the nature of the transmission. In fact, it's gotten to the point where car companies are having CVTs fake shift points just so it feels a bit peppier. That in no way means the Compass isn't underpowered, but I'd rather see actual acceleration and speed numbers than the guy's opinion on what maybe might be happening in that department. It's probably delivering more power than he gives it credit for.

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Posted: 2006/10/29 0:32  Updated: 2006/10/29 0:32
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Yahooo!

I'm so glad that DCX is finding the sales of the Compass to be a massive disappointment. I'm also pleased to see that the reviewers see what I do in the Compass.....that it is pure crap/junk/$hit.

I'm a former Jeep fan/loyalist who has become alienated and disenchanted by Jeep's (DCX's) poor management, etc, etc, etc.

I expect that we will one day see the Chrysler group on the rocks again, and this time the US government won't bail them out with loan guarantees.

The American big three in trouble, big trouble and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Hey DCX, I'm lovin' my new Tacoma. That's what you wanted to hear isn't it? After all you forced me to the "dark side".

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Posted: 2006/11/4 13:09  Updated: 2006/11/4 13:09
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One point needs clarification: You are NOT a "victim" of a DCX decision. You made your own decision (good or bad) to purchase your Tacoma.

From what I read from many auto reviewers, they don't understand or even care to TRY and understand the Jeep brand. Most of their reviews in my opinion are to use your words: "pure crap/junk/$hit."

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Posted: 2006/10/28 12:28  Updated: 2006/10/28 12:31
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The Compass is a mistake. Jeep only needs 3 levels. Watered down Jeeps are just what everyone else makes...why copy people copying you? And why compete in a crowded field? Instead, shore up your business, keep you product distinct, have it function uniquely (4x4, win some MOABs), and keep it a premium brand...and RAISE THE PRICE to make profits. It is easier to sell a few good, expensive,high profit cars than a lot of crappy cheap cars that eventually water down the brand so that no-one want to even think about the expensive, high profit cars with your name.

An example of JEEP technological/brand superiority would be concerning the milage issue. If you want high milage, put a diesel engine in it and charge them more. (Don't make a mini-van compass for milage reasons) Look what people are paying for that silly Prius (look what I paid for the Libby CRD).VW's diesels get better milage than a Prius. And being a diesel is very JEEP and a great off-road engine. Again, make the JEEP brand technologically unique by being off-road superior AND by being a frakking JEEP.

Compass, Patriot = bad ideas.

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Posted: 2006/10/27 18:38  Updated: 2006/10/27 18:38
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The Compass is hideous looking. It doesn't look anything like the cool original concept compass and should be panned because of that.

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Posted: 2006/10/27 17:16  Updated: 2006/10/27 17:16
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I agree with the fact that Jeep should be focusing on improving fuel efficiency, but doing so without sacrificing the utility and style we all know and love. Personally, I don't like the Compass at all, and I haven't even seen one in person. Good interior, lousy interior...not the point. It's my feeling that DCX went astray with the Compass, and I think part of the reason is because they want a piece of the market looking for a bit of refinement in their SUV. Refinement is okay, to a degree. The JK is a perfect example of this. The key factor in the case of the JK, however, is that the engineers stayed true to Jeep's roots, tradition and heritage. I mean, can you imagine if you weren't able to lower the windshield anymore? I'm sure most Jeepers never lower the windshield, but can you imagine the uproar if they no longer had a choice in the matter? My point is, innovation is good...refinement is good. But remember who you're building the vehicle for. Going back to the subject of fuel efficiency, I have one thing to say. I'm 29 years old. I have been wanting a Wrangler for a long time now (I currently own a '98 XJ). In this day and age, especially for many younger customers (I fit in this category still...right? Right?!), fuel effieciency is a very important aspect in the purchase decision. Case in point: a friend of mine recently sold his Chevy Avalanche for a new, fuel-sipping Honda Civic (he's a former TJ owner, by the way). He loved his Avalanche (and Jeep) but fuel efficiency proved more important to him in the long run. Bottome line is, I'll be buying that dream JK eventually...but give me one with Jeep's legendary capabilities combined with better gas mileage, and that purchase will come sooner rather than later.

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Posted: 2006/10/28 16:09  Updated: 2006/10/28 16:09
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It sounds as if everyone who has made a comment is/was a Jeep owner. Remember, the primary reason the Compass/Patriot was designed is to attract NEW Jeep owners in and OUTSIDE of the U.S.

I would like to hear from a first time Jeeper, who has bought the Compass. It would be interesting to see what his/her comments are on the vehicle.

While I like the Patriot's design better, my wife really likes the Compass. Currently, we both drive Jeeps; me, a 98 XJ and the wife drives a 03 JGC.

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Posted: 2006/10/27 15:16  Updated: 2006/10/27 15:21
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Everyone complains that the interior is horrible, but when I first saw it (limited with gray leather; it makes a big difference), I thought it was easily the best Jeep interior I've ever seen, and I still think so. Every line and color match up perfectly and it all looks very smooth. I wonder if it's because I'm 25 (target demographic) and all these reviewers are 40+ and stuck in the 80's? I guess they should stick with Buicks (darn it, I won't be able to say that next year when the Enclave is out). I like the new GC interior okay, but it's awful in the limited with the wood, and even the smoother laredo is no match for the style of the compass/patriot interior to me. The Liberty & Commander look stupid inside (seriously, you know they do), and the Wrangler is just kind of its own thing (of course). Plus the shared components from the Caliber (which are a lot) look way better in the Compass to me, as if they were designed for the Jeeps and then altered (poorly) for the Caliber. Don't get me wrong, I hate the exterior design cues, but that's why I'm looking forward to the Patriot ... awesome inside & out. Anyone out there my age or younger that doesn't like the interior?

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Posted: 2006/10/27 15:02  Updated: 2006/10/27 15:02
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Whats so bad about the review? Jeep has lost sight of what it is good at - building 4x4's. Just because the market is moving (quickly) to the CUV and smaller cars - Jeep tries to jump on this band wagon with a cheap, poorly designed cuv. It needs focus on making what they have now in their line up more fuel efficient.
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