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PatriotMSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
Posted by mike on 2007/4/30 8:18:27 (3486) reads

While this review from MSN Autos is more of the same of what we have been hearing about the Patriot ("the Cherokee reborn"), it does offer a glimpse into why exactly Chrysler Group decided to produce both the Compass and the Patriot:

Two models was not what Jeep had planned originally. But when the marketing types presented the Compass and Patriot to focus groups, rather than one of the two designs being favored as expected, both earned a preference by gender and by continent (the two Jeeps will be sold on both sides of the Atlantic).

When all the focus groups votes were tallied, the Compass was favored by females in the U.S. and nearly everyone in Europe, while the Patriot was the solid choice of American males.

These results would appear to be a dilemma not to be solved with the mere flip of a coin. Then a funny thing happened on the way to the bean counters... "When the numbers were added up, the bottom line was that both models could be produced within the parameters of the program's budget," said Larry Lyons, vice president of the front-wheel-drive product team at Jeep. "That was a pleasant surprise."

The reviewer had some exceptionally kind words for the Patriot's offroad prowness:
The Patriot surprised me again and again as we crawled over boulders, climbed loose grades, inched down the other side, chewed up and spit out a mile-long stretch of a sandy creek bed at 40-some mph. Locked into "L," the electronic throttle control worked with the four-wheel ABS traction control to smoothly maneuver over large boulders, sometimes with a front or rear wheel hanging in the air.

Granted, hardcore enthusiasts would consider our Patriot's workout little more than a walk in the park, however, if they put it through its paces they'll be floored by the Freedom Drive II off-road system.

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Posted: 2007/5/2 16:45  Updated: 2007/5/2 16:45
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
i think that it is a good attempt to get more people to the brand. i own a 00xj and a 02tj and i just recently purcased a 07mk patriot. i think that it is a nice attempt to respark the look of the xj. it is a nice vehicle to bounce around town in but the mpg. that they keep raving about is 5spd 4x2. but i can't complain to much i got over 22mpg on my first tank. i have not got a chance to play with the 4wd yet, but when i do i hope that it will not disapoint me

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Posted: 2007/4/30 8:40  Updated: 2007/4/30 10:04
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
For all the automotive writers out there who insist on comparing all of the "new" Jeep vehicles to the venerable Cherokee that was laid to rest (to our dismay) in 2001, let's get the stupid analogies straight, once & for all...

The Patriot --not a "reborn" Cherokee, but looks like a small sized one
The Commander --not a "reborn" Cherokee, but looks like a large sized one
The new 2008 Liberty --might be considered a "reborn" Cherokee, since it's closer to the same size & appearance (anything <MY07 was a round bug-eyed abomination that looks nothing like an XJ... which women preferred) If Jeep would just rebadge the '08 as a Cherokee (in the U.S.) that would help quell the debate.

The Grand Cherokee --never a Cherokee, though websites & used car dealers (esp. on eBay) continue to use the terms interchangeably, to XJ owners' neverending annoyance.

As more than one poster to this webpage stated, if everyone's so intent on comparing the "new" Jeeps to the XJ, why not just build the damn XJ again?

China is...

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Posted: 2007/4/30 10:53  Updated: 2007/4/30 10:53
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
I seem to believe that Chrysler cut a deal with the Native American groups that once a nameplate bearing their semblance was retired, Chrysler wouldn't renew it; and likewise, they wouldn't introduce a new model with the same criteria on naming. Can anyone confirm this?

~XJameson

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Posted: 2007/4/30 11:12  Updated: 2007/4/30 11:12
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
I've read similar "rumors". They continue to use the Cherokee badge outside the US though, as that is what most of the world calls the Liberty.

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Posted: 2007/5/6 10:52  Updated: 2007/5/6 10:52
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
Well, DCX could outsmart them and call it the XJ, instead of the Cherokee. That way we wouldn't "offend" anyone. I believe in Canada the Wrangler is called the TJ; not sure what the new gen is called up north of the border.

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Posted: 2007/4/30 11:14  Updated: 2007/4/30 11:14
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
Jeep could always stick a roulette wheel in the center console or offer the option of a video poker game in the MyGig of each new Cherokee, so as not to upset the "sensibilities" of our fellow Indians... whoops, Native Americans...

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Posted: 2007/4/30 11:11  Updated: 2007/4/30 11:18
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
Actually if you compare all dimensions against the XJ the Patriot is within an inch all around. See this link http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134
As an owner of a Commander and Cherokee I will agree the Commander is not a replacement for the Cherokee but it was not being sold that way. The thing that people use to compare the Commander, Patrtiot and Cherokee is it's boxy styling. That's it! The Grand Cherokee (WJ) and Liberty(KJ) are not compared to the Cherokee because of their softer shapes and lines.
I really like the Patriot but if I bought one it would not be becasue I thought it was going to replace my Cherokee (XJ). If I wanted a replacement for my Cherokee I would buy an Unlimited.

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Posted: 2007/4/30 11:23  Updated: 2007/4/30 11:25
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 Re: MSN Review of the Jeep Patriot
I look at the Wrangler "Unlimited" as simply a 4-dr classic JEEP, not a close fit/replacement to the XJ. (OK, maybe functionally...) Remember, the JK/JKL has a frame; the XJ is a unibody. That's probably the biggest difference of all the comparisons. As far as Jeep "DNA" goes, I don't see any SJ or the XJ in the JKL, but I do see the continuum of the classic Bantam & Willys heritage...
The thing that people use to compare the Commander, Patrtiot and Cherokee is it's boxy styling.

Agreed. Seems like most domestic SUVs have gotten pretty big (or big again?) over the past 20 years! The Patriot SEEMS a lot smaller in person than my XJ, though...

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Posted: 2007/4/30 11:52  Updated: 2007/4/30 11:52
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It's funny how so many of us think XJ's are "big", or at least bigger than all those cute-utes out there we despise so much, but it's really not. The CRV is bigger than the XJ, albeit just slightly. And the Patriot is pretty close in size to the XJ too.

According to Jeep's specs, the Patriot is actually longer end to end (by like 7"), has a longer wheelbase (by 2"), possibly taller (depending on roof rack), and just a smidge wider.

Despite the larger exterior dimensions, it looks like interior capacity is less. No surprise there due to all the "safety" equipment and NVH insulation materials they stuff into vehicles these days. I bet ever roof pillar on the Patriot is 2x the size of the corresponding pillar on an XJ. That's probably part of why it SEEMS smaller, even though it really isn't. And I'm sure for many of us the fact that it's got a fully independent suspension plays into our 'size' perception of it.

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Posted: 2007/4/30 13:36  Updated: 2007/4/30 14:18
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On the flip side of that, I looked at an H3 --whose exterior is huge in comparison to an XJ. Once I sat inside & felt/looked around, the riding stance was noticably higher... but once you subtract an extra 2" from almorst every interior surface (due to the much thicker doors, dash, seatbacks, liftgate, and higher floor) the interior volume SEEMS to be not much more than my XJ. Maybe, I'm just blinded by love...

Check this out:
Exterior:
H3:74.5H x 85.5W x 186.7"L x 111.9(WB)
XJ: 64.0H x 69.4W x 167.5L x 101.4(WB)
[OK, so the exterior of the H3 is HUGE]

Interior:
H3: (front) 40.6 HR x 41.9 LR
(rear) 39.9 HR x 35.0 LR
XJ: (front) 37.8 HR x 41.4 LR
(rear) 38.0 HR x 35.0 LR
[So, the H3 has ~2+ more headroom, but not much more legroom...]

Here's the kicker:
H3 Cargo volume 55.7 cu-ft
XJ Cargo volume 69.0 cu-ft !

[That explains the "feeling" I got... with all its exterior hugeness, the H3 doesn't have proportionately more functional interior space...]

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Posted: 2007/4/30 14:24  Updated: 2007/4/30 14:28
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Yeah, when we test drove an H3 (just for fun, to check them out, not because we were shopping for one) it actually reminded me a lot of how my XJ was on 33's. The interior felt very "XJ", and looking the dimensions you posted now I know why. I wouldn't have guessed a 10cu-ft difference in cargo space though... but I guess that's cargo capacity with the rear seat folded, so then yeah, I can definitely see that because while the H3's rear seat folds "flat", it's not level with the rest of the cargo floor, so you end up with this big step.

The JK Unlimited on the other hand, has a whopping 84cu-ft of cargo space with the rear seats folded! In terms of interior space, the Unlimited is the biggest model Jeep currently offers (which I find amusingly ironic).

edit: a lot of the difference in length of the H3 and the XJ is the spare on the back of the H3, and most of the width is the wider track and fenders. If you were to strip the spare tire and bumpers, and measure the width at the doors, I think their specs would be closer (the H3 still has a much 'thicker' body though, like all 'moden' vehicles... )

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Posted: 2007/4/30 14:54  Updated: 2007/4/30 16:04
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The JKL is my next new ride. Hard to beat the 4 doors, (up to) 32" stock tires & the 3-piece hard top. Now, if I could just get an engine with a little more giddyup...
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