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Concept/DemonstrationCamp Jeep 2007 - Will They Build the JT?
Posted by mike on 2007/8/3 9:24:00 (7279) reads

ScramblerKen recently attended Camp Jeep 2007 and filed a series of reports for us. Here's his final installment.

In my final article, I will present some information I got in an informal discussion with one of the product engineers that works in future development.

At Camp Jeep, both the JT and AEV Brute were proudly positioned in the main walk-way of the Engineer tent. Many attendees took pictures of the vehicles (including some that jumped the rope to get a better picture!). Obviously, Jeep has something in mind.

We have been teased with the prospect of a Jeep pick-up truck several times over the past years.

The Egyptian military version of the Jeep (the TJL) made its appearance a few times, and occasionally at Camp Jeep as well:



Besides the numerous rumors over the years, at a past camp Jeep (2002?) the 2-door Unlimited (before it was in production) was on display in both the multi-passenger configuration (which became the 2-door Unlimited) and a small pickup truck version.



American Expedition Vehicles (AEV) produced the Brute, and for a brief time AEV was in negotiations to build a mass number of the Brutes at the old Plymouth Prowler plant. AEV continues to work with Jeep, and this was evident in the presence of the Brute at Camp Jeep:



Jeep has also teased us with the Gladiator concept (a full size truck built off of a modified Dodge Ram 2500 frame) a few years ago:



And now we have the JT (built with the JK 4-door frame and the TJL tub):



It might seem like a no-brainer to build the JT, but there are a few issues.

First this is a niche of a niche. The JT is a mini-truck, and the only vehicle close in size is the Ford Ranger. Will anyone want to buy a small personal truck? The good news is Jeep recognizes this, and they see the potential in this market, and they realize this is a special niche market. Because this is a small niche market, they would have to be clever in how they produce such a vehicle in such a way as to still make a profit and make the bean counters happy. To do this, they have to keep production and design costs down.

Well, this seems simple. The vehicle can use the 4-Door JK platform. That actually sounds good, but there are a few problems.

Do you use a swing gate like the current Wrangler, or do you switch to a traditional tail-gate like most pickup trucks. I, like most of you, would want a normal drop tail gate like the old CJ-7/8 had (but with the ability to open it from the outside). Since the JT only has a 5 foot pick-up bed, the added length you get from dropping the tail gate could make it easier to haul with. Granted, this is a personal truck, so your not going down to your local home improvement store and get 30 sheets of drywall, but you still want it to carry stuff.

Ok, let’s say you do use a drop down tail-gate, what about the spare tire? Granted, you could have the spare tire swing out to the side and then drop the tail gate right? No, this is not acceptable because the spare tire would now block the tail lights.

Ok, do like most pickups, and put the tire under the pickup bed. Well this is not doable either, because the muffler is in the way, and there really is not any room to relocate the muffler. The other problem is because Jeep Wranglers are made for off-roading, you don’t want to have much underneath that reduces the ground clearance. Here is a photo of the 4-door JK platform so you can get a better perspective:



Ok, how about just putting the tire in the pickup-bed along the side similar to the spare that was in the Cherokee. Well, now you have a problem if you want to have a tonneau cover over the pickup bed to protect it from the elements. Additionally, if this was a ‘space saver’ tire would you accept that?

Since most Jeep Wranglers are purchased not just for off-roading, the basic looks of the JT is a bit plain for many consumers. I know many would love to have the JT as it is, but frankly, most dealerships would be hard pressed to sell it like that. Additionally, even though the ‘show bar’ on the current Wrangler is not a true ‘roll-bar’, how safe would one feel off-roading with only the cab area having some protection?

Most likely, I can see Jeep adding some roll bar similar to other pickup trucks, even if it is only for show. The overly plain look of the JT just won’t sell, and to make a profit, you need to add some accessories. This is true of the Wrangler. The good news is like many die-hards do now; you still can buy a basic Wrangler, and strip out a lot to make it plainer.

Ok, back to the spare tire issue. My thoughts were do something like the Gladiator, and mount the spare to the side. It maybe necessary to alter the pickup bed so there is an indentation to accommodate the spare, even if you use a space saver. Still, having the spare on the side gives it a more rugged look. The key is the spare can not stick out too far.

I think the JT has a possibility of being produced, but there is concern of this being another Scrambler. As much as I like the old CJ-8, at only 27,000 units in 5 years, it was a sales flop. As far as Jeep producing the Gladiator, I got no indication Jeep has any intention of building that full size truck on any platform. The JT looks like the most likely candidate for Jeep to re-enter the pickup truck market.

With the release of the Mercedes controls on Chrysler, who knows what Jeep might venture in to? How many of us ever thought Jeep would build the 2-door or the 4-door Wrangler Unlimiteds?

The good news is the Jeep Engineers do surf the web, and they are aware of Mike’s web site. My thought is if you like or dislike the JT, post your thoughts on:

Would you buy a small convertible personal truck with great off-roading Wrangler capability?

Which do you prefer - Swing-gate tail gate or a drop down tail gate?

Would you want a roll bar in the pickup bed or no roll bar at all?

Can you live with a space saver tire?

Where would you put the spare tire?

Other thoughts/comments…

Happy Jeeping!!!!!

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 They better come out with something fast
Word is that Hummer is working like mad to develop a truck off their H3 platform for production ASAP. Jeep will have really blown this one if Hummer gets to the market first and steals market share right out from under them when they already have several production ready examples ready to go, the JT, Gladiator, AEV-Brute, Israeli Military truck etc. I know none of us hard core Jeep fans will go for anything Hummer makes nomatter what but other mid-sized truck buyers (swing votes lol) might.

I say make the Gladiator as is, or offer the Brute as a dealership modification option. I want a truck I can use every day and take it out on the trail not a half truck that's only useful part time as a trail rig. (No offense intended Scrambler owners ;) If my only option was a JT, I'd rather buy a ginormous gas-hogging Dodge or something similar that I'd hate every second of driving it for every day use and only after I'd paid that off I'd get a Wrangler for weekend fun, I'd much rather have a Gladiator I could use every day and have fun in, and leave the side mounted spare!

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Jeep is behind in a small pickup market. A small personal Jeep pickup with good fuel economy as a daily driver and cargo hauler as well as an occasional weekend off-highway explorer is something missing since the demise of the Comanche in'92. As far as I am concerned, in order of preference would be: 1. Brute, 2. JT, 3. Gladiator. At this point in my rusting Comanche's life, ANY of the above would work as long as I can plow snow with it too!
Side mounted spare, or the option of mounting inside or outside the swing down tailgate. Anything, we just need a small Jeep pickup truck!

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"Gladiator"-("The Hummer-HT-Killer"), Build The Full Size Jeep "Gladiator", Jeep Pickup Truck, Off Of A Modified Dodge Ram 2500 Frame... And With, "Great Off-Road Wrangler Capability"... A Six Foot Pickup Box Length, With A Two Foot Drop Down TailGate... Have A Real Actual Roll-Bar (Not Just A Sport Or Show Bar), For The Pickup Bed, As An Option... No Space Saver Spare Tire... A Full Size Spare Tire, Either Mounted On The Side Of The Box (Like 1960's Jeep Gladiator Trucks), Or Mounted Under The Frame At The Rear... " Let's Quite Talk'N About It And Get It Built And Jeep'N ".

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i really like the idea of the side-mounted tire like the gladiator, i just like the way it looks... but if that wasn't practical/possible for whatever reason, why not have the tire able to mount to both the tailgate AND in the truck bed? What is that, like 2 bolts or something? just drill holes in both places and have it able to move depending on demand... won't most people just pick one or the other and probably leave it 99% of the time? Would that cause weight distro problem if they had to allow for either place?

"Will anyone want to buy a small personal truck?"

YES! are you nuts? if i want a second row of seats, i'd buy a sedan! i personally can't stand the trend all auto makers are pushing, bigger trucks... yes, i admit a king cab comes in handy at time, but i personally never saw the value in double-cab trucks... get a mini-van already if you want to haul passengers... :-)

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amra,

The reason that I would like to have a back seat is because I ride dirt bikes with 4 other people. I need to tow my three rail trailer full of bikes and have two bikes in the back of the truck as well as carry all of the people and their gear. The other reason that a back seat would be useful is because I have two children and the Gladiator could be used when the family goes to various places to pick up supplies for my many (too many!) home and automotive projects. I try to always take my children on these trips so that they can participate in the project too. A sedan would carry the people but not all of the supplies.

Your tire carrier idea is neat... If you take it one step further outside the box and add bed rails (like in a Nissan truck) you could make a tire carrier that quick-connects into it and the owner would have the option of putting the spare where he likes. This would require bed rails in the external part of the tailgate and a selector for the spring force there but it is doable.

Personally though, I really like the side mounted spare of the Gladiator. In my mind it solves all of the problems and looks trick to-boot.

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I vote for the Gladiator. I need a real truck with a back seat. Build it virtually identical to the 2005 concept, most importantly with the 2.8 CRD, 6 speed manual, and solid axel front and rear (leave out the small drivers side door and the sliding bed). Price it at about 25K with aluminum wheels and 30K(ish) for the Rubicon version. I have cash in hand... so Jeep, if you are listening, you are already behind one Gladiator Rubicon!

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My recommendation is build the Gladiator or at least the Brute, these are more truck-like and could have great towing ability. I would buy either to haul my off-road Jeeps or other trailer items. The JT is cute but so was the old Scrambler, GIVE us a real JEEP TRUCK soon. Mini-spares do not belong on any Jeeps, You could combine a swing out rear tire carrier with a drop down tail gate and satisfy both issues. Just build it!

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I must agree with Rocketman and GregB, the Gladiator would be the big seller.
The JT is a compromise as a production vehicle, and the people that would buy it are those that would have bought a wrangler anyway (eating into JK sales) and the half-a-dozen others that this niche-of-a-niche satisfies.
The Gladiator, on the other hand, would also appeal to a few that would have bought a wrangler anyway, the half-a-dozen "niche-of-a-niche customers, AND people looking for a REAL small/midsize truck. I just don't see the JT stealing away too many Tacoma, Frontier or even Ranger customers.

Of course, having said that, I am one of the "niche-of-a-niche" customers and would buy the JT if there were no prospect of a Gladiator.

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Wow, so this is where you go all the time, huh dad?

To answer your question, yes I would buy a truck like this.

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Spare tire issue is solved by mounting it similar to a PSC Rear Stinger:

http://www.spydercustoms.com/Bumpers/8609_lg.jpg

Rig it to drop with the tailgate or on its own. I would never settle for a space saver spare...and I don't think it would look good on the side on a mini-truck.
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My take on the placements of the Brute and the JT:
They were placed outside the mfg tent, but so were many other vehicles. Burnsville Off Road had their Viper Powered vehicle right next the the JT. Next to the Brute was an AEV 4 Dr. There was also a Mopar Skunkwerks had the Rock King (orange 2 dr rubi stripped down) and a 4 Dr ORT (off road technology - 4.7L and other goodies) in the same area.

I will say that Jeep will not be offering the JT for sale, but I have no doubt that AEV (read Mopar Skunkwerks) will probably offer a conversion kit a la Brute.

What I'd like to see is a 4 dr crew cab type vehicle on the Wrangler platform...think H2 SUT or Explorer Sport Trac. There are just some times that it's easier to just toss something in the bed of a pick up rather than trying to open the hatch and test your tetris skills trying to squeeze it in.

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AEV is not Mopar's Skunkwerks. AEV often works with them, mostly on the Jeep vehicles, but AEV is not part of the Skunkwerks group.

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I WANT A GLADIATOR !!

I see no point in a mini or personal truck. If you cant load up the bed with a motorcycle, or a sheet of plywood or Grandma's old dresser what good is it.

I have owned 2 new Dakotas, I will NEVER buy another one. I dont want to buy a Jap truck. I want to buy an American truck.

The domestic auto manufacturers need to stop pushing customers into the Jap showrooms. They have already built the perfect truck - the Gladiator. Just offer it with several trime levels to appeal to more buyers, give it a VERY competetive price and the sale will take care of themselves.

We are the customers and we want to give OUR MONEY to Jeeep. The least that Jeep can do is take it by offering a product that we want.

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My 2 cents ...

Follow the design of the Gladiator with a CRD, an Extended Cab and a Crew Cab option (maybe an SUT). They already have enough problems keeping up with orders for the Wrangler and Unlimited, so build it on a Ram or Dakota platform. That way those who were looking for a functional truck would consider it, and you can still enhance the off-road qualities to make the Jeepers happy. This would give you a broader spectrum of potential buyers and a better chance at acceptable/profitable sales numbers.

Also, people get a truck to tow and haul. I don't know what causes the limitations on the JK and JKL, but 3500lbs towing doesn't cut it. My KJ does better than that.

I'd like to see the spare on the tailgate and to see the gate flip down. If it's got to go somewhere else put it under the bed, but put a flap/trap door in the bed so you can get to the tire without having to go under the vehicle. Also would make it easier to get to the spare if you have problems on the trail. I suppose you could always have a bull bar and mount the spare to the front?

Anyway, for a jeep truck to have sustained sales, it’s got to have specs better than or at least similar to other trucks on the market to bring in buyers who would have bought those other trucks. Otherwise, it’ll just eat into JK/JKL sales.

Jeep, please do it right the first time. Don’t make this into a Commander or Compass situation. Both good jeeps (well at least the Commander), but both could have been so much better. The Commander could have been a true full-size 7 passenger SUV, the Compass could have been a sporty rally car. I sure hope I don’t have to say the Gladiator/JT could have been a real truck.

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This is exactly how car companies get it wrong. They can not/will not build what you want so they push what the can/will build and ask everyone what features that you want on it. They get a lot of input and think that they will have a hit because of the response... But when the JT finally debuts it ends up not selling the way that they think it should because they built the wrong vehicle but will have got a lot of opinions about how to build it. Most people that are giving their input probably will not buy the JT because it is a two seater and has a very small bed. If they build the JT, it may not flop but it would not be the hit that the Gladiator would be. The Gladiator would be useful to a much larger group because of the larger bed and back seat.

It is very clear, if you ask most people if they would rather have the Gladiator or JT most would vote Gladiator, but some would buy the JT if it was their only choice. Although I think that the JT is a very nice “truck” and would be better off road, I cannot buy it because I need a back seat and a longer bed.

I LOVE the Gladiator and would buy one TODAY exactly as is!!! (leave out the sliding bed and dog door). Come on Jeep, quit dicking around and build the damn GLADIATOR!!!

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An idea for the tailgate.
Have it swing open like the JK but, have a slide able extended bed under the bed that would just extend the bottom of the bed and connect to the end of the swing gate when it is open to keep both the swing gate and the bed slide stable. Hard to explain what Im talking about without pictures. Basically like a hideaway bed under the bed

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I would rather see something along the lines of the Brute. I also use my 03 Rubi more as a pu, and would be very interested in the JT.
It def. needs drop tailgate, wish mine had it.
Spare tire fit in storage bin under bed (JK has storage ben there now)? I agree, I would mount aftermarket items anyways: tires, bumpers, roll bars, etc.
Roll cage, leave out.
Make avail soft top or removeable hard top/modular(aka JK).
What would it take to lengthen the chassis 12 to 18"? Make bigger bed & poss more space underbed for spare.
Most of all DIESEL! I'd buy a 4dr right now if one was available!
I seen the JT in Moab this year out on the trail. It preformed well, but did notice cracks in top, possible cause more flex in chassis without the roll cage.

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Would you buy a small convertible personal truck with great off-roading Wrangler capability?
YES YES

Which do you prefer - Swing-gate tail gate or a drop down tail gate?
I believe it is possible to design a simple tailgate that does both --swing out & drop down. The key is to keep it simple & strong, so it doesn't break.
In lieu of that, what about a "removable" gate and a simple tubular bar/rail that tucks away under the tailgate & slides out to support longer (e.g., lumber) loads. (There's already an aftermarket Jeep bumper available that is similar in concept.)

Would you want a roll bar in the pickup bed or no roll bar at all?
My preference would be, if not required by law, make the roll bar optional... or let the aftermarket --or MOPAR-- worry about it...

Can you live with a space saver tire?
A "half-spare" is pretty lame. If Jeep can't figure out where to hang a spare, I'd be OK with an industrial sized can of Fix-a-Flat & a plug kit in the tool case and forget the spare altogether. Most flat tires are simple-to-fix punctures anyway.

Where would you put the spare tire?
If a spare has to be standard equipment, I think it's gotta go on the tailgate (in Jeep tradition) or nowhere at all. I doubt Jeep would consider putting the spare on the side quarter panel (like with some old CJs)... but the aftermarket will surely sell a kit for that!

Other thoughts/comments…
Yes. Keep the majority of the parts & proportions in common with the JK Unlimited. That will make maintenance easier & keep production costs way down. While a larger Gladiator-like Scrambler would be cool, too, there's less of a business case to be made for it. Something Spartan, just like the JT, will fill the niche nicely. As always, JEEP owners will accessorize as necessary with MOPAR & other aftermarket parts. So, I don't see a need for Jeep to get crazy with lots of factory options. Keep it simple.

Last thought... It would also be nice to get something like the Nitro R/T's 4.0L-V6 powerplant --more HP & ft-lbs-- offered in ALL the Wranglers.

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Mark, to an extent I agree with you about having the spare tire mounted on the back, "Jeep style". And since a Gladiator or JT would likely share the same rear bumper as the standard JK, all the nice aftermarket bumpers and swing-out tire carriers would work. I was actually going to suggest this until I thought about the fact that pickups are often used to haul things longer than the bed (which would be even more common with a shorter bed), at which point the tailgate is usually laid down with the items sticking out the back. A rear-mounted spare would be a problem in this scenario. This is why I said go with a side-saddle mount ala the Gladiator concept and the old Willys pick-up trucks.

I could be happy with just a tire plug kit and an under-hood compressor though.

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I like the looks of the side mount, too, but I believe there might be some legal or crash-worthiness issue (real or perceived?) with that... not sure...

A swing away, where the whole rack & tire is removable (like on two large "pin-type" hinges --like the Jeep doors, but bigger) might cure the problem, too... as long as the whole unit doesn't weight over 100#...

I dunno, what the Hell do the Egyptians do with the TJL? They ain't bitchin' about it! Let's send the U.S. Jeep engineers on a vacation in Cairo to figure it out.

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I'd buy it today. In fact I have been waiting for one for years. I would rather just hold on to my 03 Rubicon for ever. The only thing that I would consider trading it in on would be a new Scrambler. It is, in my minds eye, the perfect vehicle for offroading, camping, hunting, etc. It is what I would call the true sport utility vehicle and would be the only way that you could possibly make the current Jeep better.

None of the variables above would be a deal breaker for me. What ever I might not like about it can be easily customized. That is what most Jeep people already do anyway. That being said I would perfer a drop down tail gate with a roll bar mounted spare like the late model Scramblers had. That way, worst case, if you need to haul something, it can be easily removed. If not, what about a modular set up that could be moved from the tail gate/bed to the roof, or even the front grill as something temporary? What about a "in bed" mounted spare in a "in bed" compartment sort of like the Honda Ridgeline?

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Which do you prefer - Swing-gate tail gate or a drop down tail gate?

I personally wish that the JK had a drop down tail gate. It just seems more versatile than the swing gate.

Once again - offer the Hemi and/or diesel and I'm in!!

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Oh yeah, as well as I think the JT would sell, I think a Gladiator and its possible variats (ie: quadcab) would even better because it would open the truck up to those of us with seating needs for more than 2 people, and it would go squarely up against the Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier. I doubt it would cut into Dakota sales any because the kinds of folks who'd want a Jeep truck probably wouldn't be looking at a Dakota in the first place.

Stretch the JK Unlimited chassis to the Gladiator's proportions and extend the bed a little more in the back so that they can relocate the muffler to a side saddle location (where it should have been on the JK to start with) - stretch it just enough to fit up to a 33" tire under the bed.

Build it in both an extend cab model like the concept and as a 4-dr. Both with midgates like the concept. Put both the extend cab and the 4-dr on the same chassis to save costs, just change the bed size (this is what Toy and Nissan do already).

Offer it in the same trims available on the JK Wrangler (including a Rubicon!), stuff a CRD under the hood, and watch the sales roll in.

Outside of the desert racing and prerunner scene, such a truck would stomp on the Tacoma.

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I agree with Yankee on pretty much all counts. A small 2-seater wouldn't work for me personally (our truck duties are handled by a Megacab 3500), but I know a TON of folks that would love to have a little Jeep truck like the JT, and I have no doubt that Chrysler would sell every single one that they could build if they built the JT.

I really think a drop-down tailgate would be needed. The swing-gate and the spare mounted centered in the bed are the two main complaints I've read about the JT

Unless a roll bar is needed to meed federal safety regs, LEAVE IT OFF. Like Yankee said, those that really want and/or need one will add a real one anyway. A big bulky show bar would not only be retro-80s in a bad way, but it would eat up space in the already small bed. Besides, do you see any trucks now-a-days with rollbars in the back?

Space-saver rear tire... like Yankee said, this really doesn't matter as I'd probably be swapping out the tiny stock tires for bigger ones anyway (seriously, the H3 comes with bigger tires than a Rubicon), and I think most folks would too who'd be into the truck. Shoot, our Megacab was only a few months old when we replaced the stock tires with some 315's (35's). As far as the location goes, probably side-saddle like the Gladiator's would be the best way to go since it couldn't be stowed under the rear of the bed. (even without the muffler there it doesn't have the needed overhang). Or maybe side-saddle inside the bed the way it was on the CJ8.

Other comments:
Put a diesel in it and you've got a guaranteed seller.

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yankee1903
Posted: 2007/8/3 10:13  Updated: 2007/8/3 10:13
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Joined: 2007/7/20
From: Upstate NY
Posts: 20
 Re: Camp Jeep 2007 - Will They Build the JT?
(Would you buy a small convertible personal truck with great off-roading Wrangler capability?)
YES!!! I use my Wrangler like one now, back seat and rear belts out, brackets removed from the floor,etc.
(Which do you prefer - Swing-gate tail gate or a drop down tail gate?)
Drop down with one of those extender bar set ups like Ford has.
(Would you want a roll bar in the pickup bed or no roll bar at all?)
Leave it off, I'll add a real one after I get it.
(Can you live with a space saver tire?)
Doesn't matter. Since I will be adding larger tires, any spare they give me will end up the wrong size anyways.
(Where would you put the spare tire?)
Probably mount it like the AEV Brute does, or mount it flat against the back of the cab wall in the bed. Depends on how large my spare turns out to be.
Other thoughts/comments:
A vehicle like this would very much be a niche inside a niche but even a limited production run would sell out fast. Keep it simple, (ok, throw a hemi in it) and they will come. I know of several current owners who would like the chance to own something like this.

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RockyOne
Posted: 2007/8/4 18:59  Updated: 2007/8/4 18:59
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Joined: 2007/4/22
From: Central Queensland,Australia
Posts: 2
 Re: Camp Jeep 2007 - Will They Build the JT?
Like my Rocsta would be good,just a bit bigger. I bought the rig (2.2Ltr diesel) new in 1994 when I really wanted a Jeep,but they were'nt being imported into Australia then.Now have two Jeeps as well so still waiting for a pickup for my dog.My rig pix at http://public.fotki.com/RockyOne/asia_rocsta_was/img1170wz-1.html
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