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Posted by mike on 2009/6/30 9:07:52 (1959) reads

A recent survey by AutoPacific found that Jeep Liberty owners are perfectly happy with their vehicles:

Two Chrysler Group LLC vehicles are on AutoPacific's 2009 Ideal Vehicle list. According to the survey released today, owners of the Jeep(R) Liberty and Dodge Challenger say they are driving a vehicle that meets, or even exceeds, their expectations, meaning those vehicles are perfect just the way they are.

"We are very pleased that the Jeep Liberty and Dodge Challenger have won high praise from their owners. In fact, this is the second year in a row the Jeep Liberty has earned this honor," said Doug Betts, Senior Vice President - Quality, Chrysler Group LLC. "

This study is confirmation that we understand the needs of our customers, and are designing and building vehicles that they are proud to own. Because of their positive experience, these consumers become promoters for our brands and in this difficult market, their endorsement is priceless."

According to the survey criteria, an Ideal Vehicle is one that meets owners' expectations for the product when they acquired it. AutoPacific asked owners to indicate their desire to change their vehicle in 15 different categories ranging from power and acceleration to safety features and storage after having owned and driven their vehicle for 90 days. The buyers who are happy with their vehicle just the way it is, the ones least likely to desire change, are driving their "ideal" vehicle.

The Jeep Liberty earned top honors in the Mid-Size Sport-Utility Vehicle category for the second year in a row. It was also recognized as the top rated vehicle in AutoPacific's 2009 Vehicle Satisfaction Award research last month. The Jeep Liberty has remained a leader in the mid-size SUV market since its introduction in 2002. All-new from the ground up for the 2008 model year, the Jeep Liberty continues to offer legendary Trail Rated(R) Jeep 4x4 capability combined with a new level of on-road refinement and innovative features.

Do you drive a Liberty? Is it your ideal vehicle? If not, what changes would need to be made to make it "ideal"?

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myhotwheels22981
Posted: 2009/7/4 11:32  Updated: 2009/7/4 11:32
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I agree that a small Diesel electric or E-85 Gas engine coupled to a plug-in electric battery pack powering hub mounted electric motors would be Ideal....That is the setup the military is going with for the Humvee replacement...

AMC considered bringing back an updated flatfender during th e 70's gas crunch...Mabye Jeep will consider it again, especially now that they have access to a small enough engine to power one...Imagine a sub-TJ 4 link Coil spring suspension, Dana 44's as the HD axles, 235-85 R16 tires (Thats 32X9.5X16) a 1.3 Turbo Diesel hooked up to a 6 speed tranny---FLATFENDER FUN!!!!

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Posted: 2009/7/4 15:08  Updated: 2009/7/4 15:08
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I think BK Curtis is right. Rollovers and the new rating that mathematically computes the chance of one. But without the fat pumpkin sucking up ground clearance you could have very large tires, low center of gravity and still have gobs of clearance.

With hub mounted electric motors you would not even need the Dana 44. It could be some sort of trailing arm suspension that could be raised and lowered, and with an electronic gyroscope the body could try to remain level on corners, sidehills and up and down hills for less chance of rollover.

Before Chrysler imploded there was a video on this site of Jeep engineers driving around in current Jeeps and some prototypes. One was a sort of smaller Wrangler with a really short hood. I wonder if that was our dream Jeep, minus the Fiat Diesel? I always liked the CJ6, a long wheelbase flattie. It would be frun to have something like that with such a drivetrain and suspension. The future could be bright after all. Until then, I'm sticking with my XJ, as it's paid for. My daily driver gets 40MPG so I'll just wait.

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Posted: 2009/7/4 19:58  Updated: 2009/7/4 19:58
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The CJ-6 wasn't a flattie... they were the LWB version of the CJ-5

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Posted: 2009/7/6 15:26  Updated: 2009/7/6 15:26
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It did have one of the best Approach/Departure angles of any Jeep, as the rear wheels were pushed all the way back to the rear of the tub...

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ORBruce
Posted: 2009/7/1 17:20  Updated: 2009/7/1 17:20
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We're on our second Liberty, an 08. The newer design is roomier, quieter, better looking, and I prefer a hatch to the swingout back door. Haven't had to change a flat lately, though. The first generation was more nimble, the second more comfortable. The traction control stuff really helps over the standard open diffs, especially in low range. You have to watch your clearance. It's low in the middle, adequate at the rockers. It's a great combination of a decent grocery-getter, comfortable traveling car, and pretty decent dirt capability. Mine gets 22-23 mpg on trips, 16-17 in town, probably the best mpg of any jeep we've ever had.

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Posted: 2009/7/1 15:41  Updated: 2009/7/1 15:41
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I have one of each. My Challenger is ideal.
The Liberty would be ideal if it had more power.

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These days my ideal vehicle would get 40 MPG or better and be Rubicon capable. The current Jeep trend towards wider vehicles makes tight trails difficult, as most were built for flatfenders. Then the brush grew , rockslides happened, and they got even narrower. I think this is possible with a small diesel/electric hybrid, with electric motors in each hub. This would allow great underbody clearance as there would be no pumpkins, suspensions design would be axle free, and weght/friction/drivetrain losses greatly reduced. I would not be adverse to a small Fiat common rail diesel engine. My problem is the dealer close to me got closed. They still intend to sell parts, but I'm not sure about warranty service.

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Posted: 2009/7/4 8:15  Updated: 2009/7/4 8:15
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xjgary wrote: "The current Jeep trend towards wider vehicles makes tight trails difficult, as most were built for flatfenders."

I believe that the new Jeeps are bigger for one simple reason: to meet government safety regulations.
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