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Concept/DemonstrationPanda-Based Jeep in 2013
Posted by xjgary on 2011/3/22 6:53:14 (2780) reads

This article was submitted by reader XJGary with some additions by Mike.

JP Magazine has a write-up about the new Panda-based Jeep. They said it really is coming to the US in 2013 and it will be open top, confirmed by 5 different inside sources. Jeep is currently working hard on it. The two possible engines are the 1.4 L gas and the 1.3 L Diesel.

The name is still being kept under wraps (if in fact anyone knows what it is), but what we do know is that it will be smaller than the Wrangler. For comparison, the current Panda has a 90-inch wheelbase, is 62 inches wide, and 139 inches overall length-so it would be comparable to a CJ-5 in size.


From XJGary, "They have a really lame artist's rendering in the article, but they admit to having no clue as to what it will look like other than a 7 slot grill. Llike many, "JP" was concerned that Jeep would just slap a new badge and grill on the new gen Panda. I'm hoping for something better that will get great fuel mileage (a diesel please!), look good, be fun to drive, fit tall people, and be able to handle tough trails. My hope is a mini Wrangler that is a retro flat fender."

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MarkH
Posted: 2011/3/26 13:06  Updated: 2011/3/26 16:18
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Guys, guys, guys, RELAX! That was the APRIL (FOOLS) Edition of Jp Magazine. Chances are that was a total goof... thanx to The Editor-Cappa...

Look forward to the ~280HP Pentastar LONG OVERDUE power for the Wrangler & the JT/Scrambler/Gladiator/JK-8 whatever 2 dr Jeep pickup FINALLY coming in '13... JEEP is off life support & is alive & well. We're lucky it didn't land on the scrap heap of automotive once-wuzes (like Saturn, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Mercury, Plymouth...) I hate to say it, but we should be THANKING FIAT!

DEEP BREATH NOW... Ciao!

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Posted: 2011/3/27 1:05  Updated: 2011/3/27 1:05
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I'm not buying that this is an April fool joke. "Autoweek" is reporting the same thing and saying they got it from an interview with Mike Manly. If you Google "B-segment Jeep" you'll get a ton of reports on this, none of them mentioning JP Magazine as a source. It may well be that it has a Wrangler look, but will simply be another AWD soft roader, which would make me lose all interest. Some sources say the US would only get the 1.4L gas engine, which sounds bad to me. I want a diesel.

After MB and Cerebus mismanagement, Fiat could only help. Hiring Engineers is a good indication that they are back on their feet. I'm optimistic.

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Posted: 2011/3/27 6:48  Updated: 2011/3/27 6:58
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Looks like I stand corrected! Manley has sopken! HOPEFULLY that concept photo was a goof. Jeez, U-G-L-Y!

Either way, lots of good things are coming our way with the JK! Maybe even a long-awaited diesel. And FIAT has a lot of diesel know-how!

If that Panda-go-cart replaces the Compass, maybe that'll wind up being a good thing, too!! I wish they'd morph it with the Willys Concept, then they'd have a neat looking JEEP dune-buggy.

So, does this mean I can still hold out hope for the SRT6 Wrangler?!

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Posted: 2011/3/25 11:17  Updated: 2011/3/25 11:17
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Am I really reading this? People are wanting a small Warngler? WTF!!!!!!! The Wrangler IS small (well it once was) and should still be! The day Jeep releases a model based on Fiat or other POS will be a sad day in Jeep history. I can't beleive ANYONE is FOR this? Any you call yourselves Jeep enthusiasts?

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Posted: 2011/3/25 13:27  Updated: 2011/3/25 13:27
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Don't close your mind before they even finish the design. Will they do it right? That remains to be seen. The TJ was the last right-sized Wrangler for tight trails in my opinion. Look at the current Wrangler-it's really wide!

I don't recall the numbers, but Jeep sales are up by a healthy percentage over a year ago. BUT gas is already over $4 a gallon (Regular) here and is predicted to hit $5 soon. I typically drive 70 miles a day and I'm not the only one. 19 mpg Jeeps are just going to rust on the dealers' lots when gas hits $5 a gallon. Between Middle East unrest and more cars in China and India, this is not temporary. Add in Peak Oil and don't drill in my backyard and you can see it's here to stay. If nothing else, Jeep needs a high MPG car to offset the gas hogs for the upcoming CAFE requirements. If you needed a commute car would you rather have a 50 mpg Jeep or a 50 mpg Honda/Toyota with 300 pounds of expensive high voltage batteries in the trunk? What if that Jeep were trail worthy and had an open top? Clearly it's not going to look like a Panda or other Fiat car, and Fiat has improved quality greatly since the 1970's. We're probably only talking about some drivetrain parts anyway.

I suspect it will be along the lines of the Jeep Willys concept with a back seat and open top. It's a rare chance to start with a clean slate and a bigger parts bin. I wish them luck and hope a great deal of Jeep magic dust gets sprinkled on it.

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Posted: 2011/3/25 21:23  Updated: 2011/3/25 21:23
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As I said in another discussion on a possible vehicle like this: if they take what made the WillysMB such a successful vehicle in terms of size and give it that sort of styling. Then I'll keep an open mind. I'm not wild about them basing a Jeep vehicle off of a Fiat Panda but better that than basing a Jeep on a Dodge Caliber.

Personally, I see the current 2-door Wrangler, look at my TJ and think the JK's too eff'n big. Part of me thinks that the JKL should be slightly bigger with a JK at size and offer another smaller Jeep that has a similar open-top, trail capable, out-of-the-box functionality. In a perfect world, all Jeeps would have removable tops but that's not going to happen.

I'm really skeptical in terms of how it looks. It'll sell and get positive reviews based on what's under the hood, even if we don't think it's pure. The question is: how ugly will it be?

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Posted: 2011/3/23 17:03  Updated: 2011/3/23 17:06
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I read this in JP magazine, but I assumed it was part of their "April Fool's" stuff, since it was from their April issue. Maybe, I was just hoping it was part of their April Fool's joke.....


Ah, yes, damn Cappa (editor) got me a few years back on that with an SRT6 JEEP Wrangler in the April edition... Damn Photoshop... Nice work Cappa-man!!

SRT6 Jeep Wrangler

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Posted: 2011/3/23 18:49  Updated: 2011/3/23 18:49
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Here's a 3rd source confirming Mike Manley's comments on this. This one has him as saying it will be Wrangler-like with softer styling clues-whatever that means. I'm happy to see that it is now a B platform vehicle rather than a C-platform (Panda), so a bit more room. Now if we can a Diesel I'll be really happy.

I'm convinced this is not an April Fools' joke- unless Geneva does not have an auto show!

Source: "The Motor Report"

Here is the article:
"Jeep To Introduce Compact SUV For 2013: Report
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Chrysler Group is set to extend its engine and platform-sharing program with partner Fiat, with news this week that a compact Jeep SUV is on the way.

With a 2013 launch tentatively scheduled, the new entry-level Jeep is likely to be built on a high-riding version of the platform underpinning the Fiat Punto.

Engine options are also expected to come from the Fiat catalogue, with the company's 1.3 and 1.6 litre JDTm diesel engines, and the 1.4 litre MultiAir petrol engines, likely to slot in.


"There’s definitely space in the market for a Jeep-brand B-segment SUV," Jeep CEO Mike Manley told British magazine Autocar at Geneva this week.

"We’re already working on a project that will meet that need, and expect to have the car on the road by 2013."

Manley added that the new crossover will take styling cues from across the range, focusing on the Wrangler's iconic styling but with a "slightly softer" look.

The new Jeep will be a relatively unique concept in the US market, but in Europe, the brand will be looking to tap into the success of the quirky Nissan Juke crossover, while also bringing younger buyers to the Jeep badge.


“I’ve already reviewed some designs for the car, and I’m very excited,” Manley said. “This is going to be a very special car for us.”

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Posted: 2011/3/22 21:28  Updated: 2011/3/22 21:28
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So if it's not an April Fools Joke, then, are they going to put a roll cage on to say, I don't know, pass US. Rollover Standards?

I'd actually buy one if it was built right and sprinkled with a good dose of Magic Jeep Dust. How about an Electric or PiHV...they are building an all electric Fiat 500, so an electric Panda-based vehicle would not be a stretch...More Importantly, Fiat has a testbed Panda running on a Nuvera Fuel Cell and Gasoline Reformer back in the Motherland (Italy), so if this isn't a joke, it just makes too much sense.

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Posted: 2011/3/22 17:33  Updated: 2011/3/22 17:33
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It's their yearly April Fools joke and nothing more. Let's clarify that before we get lumped in with that other fake-news-network ;)

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Posted: 2011/3/23 3:49  Updated: 2011/3/23 3:49
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I've found 2 other sources confirming this, and it is based on comments Mike Manely made at an auto show. It is likely to be based on a Fiat slightly larger than a Panda. But I can't tell from this if it is a SUV body style or mini Wrangler.

Here is the short version:
Jeep CEO Mike Manley let word slip at the Geneva Motor Show that his company is looking to build a subcompact-sized B-segment SUV by 2013.

Manley said that Chrysler's partnership with Fiat would be critical to building the new car, as Jeep is looking at using Fiat's 1.6-liter and 1.3-liter JDTm diesels, as well as the 1.4-liter Multiair gasoline mill.

The package would likely be based on the Fiat Grande Punto, and most models would be front-wheel drive. Since this is a Jeep product, at least the top-of-the-line trim level would get four-wheel drive.

Expect the subcompact Jeep to be aimed at the Mini Cooper and the Audi A1, with a premium options list in a supermini. Despite targeting the premium hatchback market, the Jeep will carry at least a passing resemblance to the Wrangler, and won't totally abandon its rugged off-road ethos.

[Source: Autocar | Image: Matt Coors via Flickr (used w/ permission)]

Note: This one has a photo of a baby flat fender for 2 that must be seen!!

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Posted: 2011/3/22 7:50  Updated: 2011/3/22 7:50
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I read this in JP magazine, but I assumed it was part of their "April Fool's" stuff, since it was from their April issue. Maybe, I was just hoping it was part of their April Fool's joke.....

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Posted: 2011/3/22 13:14  Updated: 2011/3/22 13:14
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I forgot they did that. (They introduced the rubicon before Jeep thought of the idea). I hope not, as I'd really love to see an updated small Wrangler/ flat fender reincarnation with a 95 HP turbo diesel and a 5 or 6 speed manual tranny with solid axles/selectable lockers/large tire option. The current Wrangler got supersized and is just too fat and heavy. So now it needs a bigger engine and is too wide for tight trails.

Gas on my corner is $4 a gallon, but higher elsewhere and not going down. New CAFE requirements mean Jeep will need a high volume/high MPG vehicle to make up for the gas hogs. With this Jeep I could have my cake and eat it too. If they make it, it will sell. Especially if the price is reasonable.
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