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Posted by mike on 2000/12/21 0:00:00 (958) reads



One of our most faithful readers stumbled across this picture over at AutoExpress, a British automobile web site - it looks like the 2002 Jeep Liberty (aka KJ, aka next-generation Cherokee) is definitely unmasked. Although we're no photo experts, this picture doesn't look like a fake to us!

Here's a snippet from the writeup accompanying the article:

Jeep is taking liberties with its latest launch the 'replacement' for its hugely successful Cherokee 4x4. The firm is to turn its back on followers dedicated to the rough-and-tumble image of the brand and has revealed the much-speculated newcomer, the Liberty.

Finally caving in to fashion-conscious consumers who are more concerned about image than off-road ability, Jeep has come up with a totally new package. It will debut at the Detroit Motor Show in two weeks' time and go on sale here in September.

...snip...

The newcomer features the stiffest bodyshell of any Jeep to date, enhancing on and off-road capabilities. The Liberty is built around an entirely new chassis with independent front suspension, a link coil arrangement at the rear and wishbone arms three times the strength and weight of, say, a Ford Maverick's. However, although it looks slick on the outside, underneath it's built to tackle the toughest terrain...

...snip...

Inside, the Liberty is a massive step forward. Design has been heavily influenced by the Jeepster concept seen in Detroit in 1998. It's more youthful and upbeat, without appearing tacky or retro, and boasts lots of extra space.

Those still wanting serious off-road ability may opt for an 'Up Country Suspension' package, which comprises three skid plates for underbody protection, tow hooks, suspension with an extra inch of travel, plus a Trak-Lok differential and load-levelling suspension.

But how confident is Jeep that the Liberty will be a success? Well, its introduction will boost production at the new factory in Toledo, Ohio, by 200,000 units. That's a great way to kick-start celebrations for the company's 60th anniversary in 2001. Jeep may be spreading its wings away from hardcore owners, but it will open the marque's appeal up to a far broader audience. The Liberty looks set to steer owners along the road of freedom.

Be sure to check out the entire article at the AutoExpress web site (free registration is required) - the article is located in the "news" section.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
Go get'em Babs! Oh, and watch the typos!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: John R.
At this point, I can only comment on the photo. Yes, it looks kinda cute, like a pee-wee
hockey player wearing pads a little too big for their stature. They really seemed to go overboard with the "Tupperware" cladding.






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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: John R.
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: John R.
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
Griff, Your comments are interesting. Leaving education out of this (sorry if you were offended by my comments) - bajo players typically have thin skin, I will tell you this: The new KJ can be seen at the Detroit Auto show,and Car and Driver and Petersen's have driven it, and were very happy.

Now for your education: there is NO, None, Nada german influence on this thing. the KJ base layout was designed before the big buyout.

XJ: I have two vehicles, one of them is an XJ. No skid plates and no track lock diff make make it a poor off roader. How is the relevant? 95% of Jeeps roll off the assembly line without either packages. What does this mean? A Mercedes ML 320 with the slip diff (ABS operated) can get out of bigger holes than a stock jeep without the goodies.. Some of you think that all jeep can climb mount everest... think again.

Equip you KJ with the up country, and you will clean the clock of bozos who don't have a locking rear on thier TJ's.

Jeep is pushing employees to drive KJs to Jamborees this summer... You will see

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
See!? what I tell ya? that Griff cracks me up...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
Paul there is no two door. Another great tradition that is leaving with the XJ. The XJ was one of the last SUV's with 2 doors other than the Explorer and the Sportage (Asia's best attempt at a SUV). There was never the demand for the 2 door like there was the 4 door but Jeep sold every 2 door they made. They had the right idea of producing less of them and pricing them 1 grand to 1500 cheaper than the 4 doors. I have owned a 2 door, it was great. Its the same Cherokee as the 4 door all it has is longer front doors and no back doors. That is one of the reason they have been able to keep it longer because of the little difference between the two models. As for our good buddy Babs, (With that name I'm guessing female, a aggressive one at that, sorry for the boyfriend/husband) it amazes me that you actually have drove one. And if you have and work at the new Jeep plant, I am sure that DC appreciates your lightheartedness and love towards the current Jeep owners that like their XJ's and don't appriciate the German influence on thier trucks. And I am sure the KJ is more comfortable, it should be its a new vehicle its comfort should eclipse that of the XJ. But I own a Range Rover Classic for comfort, my XJ are fine for inner city driving, cross country driving, and trail riding. Sure the back seat is about as comfy as a wood bench but as I said before, SO WHAT. And Babs people like you are never different. You always have to say something about the Humvee/Hummer. Well since a ill educated person like you hopefully can't afford one of those you'll be glad to know that a mommy-ed down version is coming out for you that really is a suburban, the Hummer H2. Interesting shape, sorry mechanics... Sound familiar oh I just wasn't talking about the H2 I was also talking about the KJ. Babs you should be more like Dale. If he really works there he is being the better representative of DC's Jeep KJ. Atleast he is telling us what they told him to think after driving the KJ. Well I am waiting for Camp Jeep this year. I am looking to tear it up off road in a KJ (bahahaha.... yeah right, I'm sure they will do a good job on the Jeep course for beginner drivers and the trails where you don't even need to throw the lever into 4 wheel, oh I mean hit the button in the case of the KJ). Babs I encourage comments like your, purely based on the fact that I can always come back with better comments and you and your other KJ lovin friends can post stupid comments using my name. Long live the XJ!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Rob
here is my comment:
This is the ugliest piece of junk that I ever had the unopportunity to see. How could you do this to a Grand Charokee lover. This is really gross. Well, I guess that's that for my Jeep experience. With a tear in my eye, I say farewell.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Paul
here is my comment:
A turbo Diesel??? WOW! Forget the turbo, bring on the Diesel. What will be the milage?? Hope they keep the 2 door model. Should sell like hotcakes.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: DALE
I WORK AT JEEP AND YES THAT IS THE NEW JEEP THAT YOU ARE SEEING.I HAVE WORK AT THE PLANT FOR OVER 22YEARS NOW AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS ABOUT THE NEW CAR THE IN SIDE IS GREAT AND IT WILL WORK OFF ROAD JUST LIKE THE XJ DID AND ON THE ROAD I KNOW FIRST HAND YOU WILL LOVE THE WAY IT RIDES.

GET READY FOR THE RIDE OF YOUR LIFE.

IN THE NEW JEEP IN DID.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Ed
I heard Democrats like the Liberty. I also heard Republicans hate it. I'll keep the Bush-Cheney bumper sticker on my '90 XJ and drive it for another 150,000 miles thank you.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Babs
You people who bitch about this vehicle are retarded. I've leased/owned 3 cherokees, and have driven the KJ and I can tell you its more comfortable and as capable off-road as the cherokee because it has more suspension travel. You solid axle lovers are all banjo playing idiots. Long live low unspring weights and IFS, like the HUMV, and the BAJA race trucks.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Stan
Oh great another variantion of the tracker
Sidekick, Vatara. looks like ill be keeping my
2001 Cherokee for a lot longer than I thought.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Scott Cookman
here is my comment, this is a Ford Explorer with the face of a CJ. Ewww, this hideous looking creature makes my hair stand on end.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
hey! I for one love hearing gripes like the ones only Griff can give. so what if he is opinionated.
he is knowledable, andhis opinion is valid. Plus
he has a bit of humor besides.
I have to admit, I even kinda like the new Liberty.
but I would never trade my TJ for one, even though
my kids could use a bir more leg room!(and they're only 3 and 6!)
I sorta enjoy the online banter..(checkmout my little rant in the previous article) I find most of the guys who write in, a bit lacking in humor, as well as being obvious representatives of that "average SUVbuyer" who wants comfort, luxury, etc.
Pretty son all SUV's will pretty much look like minivans since many of them already share minivan chassis. Also, Uncle Sam will soon be clamping down on SUV groundclearances,etc. due to angry Beetle
and BMW owners worrying we'll drive over them.
So buy those TJ's anf XJ's while you can.
Rich

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: bob giusti
here is my comment chrysler better wake up ! look's like a ride for ken & barbie !!ooh ken watch out for that mud don't want to get it dirty ha ha ha what A joke.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
My wife didn't leave me for a X5 driver. The X5 isn't even a real SUV in my book but I don't really care to get into why. Thanks to those of us that think its real funny to get on and post using other peoples names. MT may have said the XJ still is the supreme comander of the off road terra-firma but you had to read that article hard to find that comment among all the hype they made about the Xterra. The Xterra is a fine truck, but I still like my XJ's. For all you people that think I am crazy, you should be glad to see that the XJ will not impose on your beautiful KJ sales now that 01 is the last year for the XJ's. Long live the solid axle 4.0 XJ!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Genevieve C.
As I was reading everyones comments, I realized how opinionated Jeep owners are, some of the comments bordered on obnoxious. A car is a car is a car. However, this new "cute-ute" is just that, just cute. Has a normal, plain old consumer driven this SUV yet? By the way, has anyone noticed that it looks like the incesteous dalliance between a Wrangler and a Cherokee?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Fred
here is my comment The end of the Cherokee is near. Mid 2001. Make your Jeep Cherokee purchase soon.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: David
Does anyone else think it looks like an Austin Mini on steriods?
Griff- love the enthusiasm for the XJ! Would have liked to have seen a four link rear end a-la TJ;ZJ

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
My wife left me for a BWM X5 driver.... hence any SUV advances remind me a her

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: C Van Tune
Griff: Motor Trend still stated that for offroad use alone the Jeep Cherokee was still the best

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: cereal killer
Has anyone driven one yet???
Well, how can we judge it then.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: No More Bitching
Automobile magazine has a similar article in the Feb 2001 with the same findings... I guess Griff eats his own words

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Deiter
If you have Petersens 4x4 you now know everything about KJ including Pictures so if you want to see it first find someone who gets petersens 4x4 delivered to their home

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: me
for the people criticizing, have you guys DRIVEN the damn thing? tested it off-road?? IFS or not.. drive the damn thing, then criticize it all you want..

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: You Are A Tool
Because the H2 is a CK pickup with a Hummer body for suckers to buy in love with a name

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
here is my commentWhat's wrong with 8 tracks?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Trent
Why is everyone bitching.... the Cherokee will be around for a couple more years. If you don't want to Liberty than don't buy one.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: David Seger
I presently own a 1999 Jeep Cherokee Classic. Previous to this vehicle I owned a 1995 Sport and a 1986 CJ-7.

There's a reason why I love Jeeps. They look business like (not mommy-like), go like Hell off-road and have the most dependable engine in the world (4 liter in-line 6).

The Liberty makes me want to puke. If Jeep is really stupid enough to try and replace a real 4X4 with this I will be gravely disappointed. It's bad enough that we have Kia and Rav4 drivers out there calling their tin cans "Jeeps." Let's not soil the name of a great 4X4 with this junk.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
what I wanna know is....where's Griff's
opinion?! he must be away for Xmas!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Steve H
just a question... I'm not really up on IFS, so can someone answer - how d'you lift it 5" to fit 33" MTs, what kind of articulation do you get, can you disconnect the sway-bar, if there's no diff, where does the locker go...

I suspect that I'll sticking with my '95 XJ for a while yet.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: C Van Tune
Griff: Motor Trend still stated that for offroad use alone the Jeep Cherokee was still the best when compared with the Xterra.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
Well I am very flattered that I am so popular on the message board that I have fans with the name "The Anti-Griff." Also, Yes I do believe "the best 4.0 liter powered, solid axle off-road Jeep could winch" me into the 21st century. Also for all my critics out there who say I am hung up on the 4.0 and the solid axle, what do you think you get on a base laredo WJ Grand Cherokee or ZJ Grand Cherokee. Well let me refesh your minds.... A 195hp 4.0 and solid axles. So seriously this can't be compared to a Grand Cherokee at all. And being the fan of Motor Trend and various other auto mags I would know that when ever a new SUV comes out, as long as it is not a daewoo or hyundai, MT, R&T, CD, and Automobile go head over heals. I remember the article a year or two ago when the XJ was tested against the brand new Xterra and what do you think they liked. Never mind the record of quality and long lasting parts, its whats hip, its now cooler to drive a Xterra than a XJ says MT. So every body says well if MT says the Xterra is better than the XJ than by God it is. And thats the way the whole arguement stands. I don't wish to argue with those who believe everything they read because they are as diehard in their position as I am. But I have owned many fine Jeeps in my day. I have owned, Kaiser AMC and Chyrsler and DC Jeeps and so far I see the downward progression of the Jeep brand over all. I stick firm in my position that this cute-ute that took some weight gainer isn't up to the Jeep name. Long live the XJ.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: The Anti-Griff
Every day now we hear more and more about the Liberty. I saw and read the
Petersens 4x4 article and it was mostly good news. As far as Griff and his
opinions are concerned, it probably does not matter to him what any real expert
says about the Liberty. He is obviously to old fashioned, narrow minded and
stuck in his ways that even the best 4.0 liter powered, solid axle off-road Jeep
could winch him into the 21st century. If thats fine with him what do we care.
There is that old saying "you can't teach an old dog, new tricks".

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Rich B
Motor Trend has a great review of the Libery in its Feb. 2001 issue. It does the best off road when compared to the Grand Cherokee and Cherokee on the Rubicon Trail. So believe it folks, Motor Trend has proof that the Liberty is a true Jeep. The Interior is of great quality, better than that of the current Grand Cherokee. All the vents are circular, and there is aluminum trim everywhere. It is two-toned inside. The trunk has a really low load floor and from the looks of it has more cargo capacity thatn my Grand Cherokee. My only gripe is that the steering wheel looks real tacky. The style of it is nice but the trim looks really, really fake.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
"Well the Hummer and the new Montero have IFS, blah blah crap crap...." Well if that isn't the 50th time I have heard some ultra-hip progressive Jeep owner say that. What does a Hummer cost? Like 80 to 100 Grand!?!?! It has 18 inches ground clearance, its built to military specs, the driveline goes thru the middle of the vehicle instead of under it. The Hummer is a beast. The IFS on it is incomparable with the KJ's (KRAPPY JEEP) IFS simply because they are made with different intentions in mind. As much as Jeep PR wants you to believe the IFS on the KJ is not built to hold up against off road travel like the Hummer's, it is built to give a car like ride on a truck. I think we need to remember not believe everything we hear. The Montero is suffering from what most SUV's are suffering from today including Jeep. They have gone from off-road giants to trendy lots-o-gimics pretty boy rides. Remember the orginial 4-Runners, Pathfinders, Monteros, Troopers, and now it looks like the whole Jeep brand might be next. For all you people that think the Montero is some kind of IFS monster please be my guest to take a brand new one off road. If you don't have problems with the fancy new body work getting torn up, you will have problems with the incredibly underpowered engine, also be sure not to get the pretty little leather seats and digital compass muddy. I will admit the KJ looks better in the red than the silver but it still has the IFS and the DC -every DC truck has one- truck V6. Get me a 4.0 engine and a solid axle and then talk to me. Also no ones seen the interior I'm guessing so I am waiting to see how they can ultimately ruin that. That's my two-cents. Sorry it took so long to give you it but I was all into the christmas season and didn't wish to dampen it by looking at this bastard child of the Jeep lines. Happy New Year and long live the XJ!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Cameron
This is the Jeep Liberty, I have a friend that works at the new Jeep plant in Toledo Ohio, and he has verifyed that this is the Liberty!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: andy
Looks like there is some competition between an Xterra and a Libetry for me.... The red/grey color scheme looks pretty damn good - I thought it looked ugly before. Just waiting to test drive one now...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Amy
here is my comment
It looks like they cross bred a Dodge Neon with a Cherokee...At least they didn't touch the Wrangler.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Dave in Ohio
I love my 99 JGC Laredo. However, I would love to get more than 16 mpg combined city/highway. Apparently I need a smaller vehicle. The Liberty might allow me to have a Jeep and get 20 or more MPG.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean
If solid axle technology is dead then how
come GM is incorporating it into the ALL NEW
Hummer H2 ?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Living Today
Im not a huge Jeep fan so I cant understand all of the bitching about this vehicle. I have one question, do you all still have your 8-tracks and black and white TV's? Probably not. It's time to move on and realize that an auto maker cant stay afloat by building vehicles to satisfy 2% of a niche market. Why not give it a chance and wake up, solid axle technology has had its day, and now that day is over

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Patrick
I like it and in both Automobile magazine and 4 Wheel & SUV the Liberty was tested offroad, being praise for being all Jeep offroad. Everyone thinks an IFS will ruin the offroad ability of a truck, but on the Hummer and 2001 Montero it improves it. As for the design, I have seen lots of pictures from all angles and it steals from the Commander, Jeepster, and yes the beloved Dakar. The sad fact is everyone is making an ass out of themselves by riping on a car that has already gotten praise when they themselves have never driven it, think two identical Libertys (Sport and Limited) look different, and bitch about technology and change yet are getting the info and voice heard through the internet.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: nissan liberty
i might own one if it had a solid axle and a 4.0 liter but there is no way in hell i would own a jeep with IFS or a V6 its just Gay

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Justin Glasgow
This picture is much better looking
than the first, I like the plastic
Wheel fenders and bumbers, better than the
painted that where in the
first picture. Painted fenders, Grilles and
Flares do not work for off roading.
I am starting to warm up, although
I still am afraid that Jeep
may be caving into the cutsie- girl
SUV market. But women do outnumber men.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Ken
I have to admit that the KJ does not look as bad as we feared, and the early test reports are more encouraging. If Jeep has to expand its line to attract more customers, then maybe this is the right step. I still worry that the price will be too high for some. If the price difference is close to the Grand Cherokee, why buy the Liberty? If the imports sell similar looking vehicles cheaper, many might stay away from the Liberty. Since this vehicle looks like so many others small SUVs, it could get lost in the crowd.

I also hope Jeep does not lose sight of the true Jeep driver. Go ahead and build cute-utes for those that want that type of vehicle, and leave the Wrangler alone. Now the idea of the return of the Scrambler sounds more like what some true die-hard Jeep drivers would really like to see. Has there been any more info to the 'rumor' of a future scrambler?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Carter
The only thing superior about the solid front
axle is that it can be built very rugged very
CHEAPLY. I see it as a good sign that the
Liberty seems somewhat overpriced at first
glance. A truely rugged indy suspension (like
in the HUMV), is an expensive proposition.
Instead of interpreting the price structure to
reflect some kind of market positioning, why
not give Jeep the benefit of the doubt and
assume that that is just how much it costs to
build an indy suspension that meets Jeep
standards of performance and reliability?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Andy
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for solid axle's, rough edges and full steal construction. But from the article posted hear and the article that just came out in 4 Wheel and Off-Road, it may actually perform. With this, I do not think we will ever see the "Dakar", but maybe if this flops we will not have to see a Jeep "Icon" come to life and maybe see the Wrangler live on as is, and just maybe make good on that new "Scrambler" rumor.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: eugene
It looks like all that Japanese and Chevrolet cute crap. Maximum damage to the Jeep appearance. All those butt-head designers who did it must be shot.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Chuck
Too bad there are no inside shots. The interior is really nice of the KJ from what I saw.

Engines are: 2.4L DOHC 4 cylinder 160 and 3.7L SOHC V6 good for 205 HP.

From what I heard length is 1" shorter than the XJ but volume is up since the spare goes on the outside.

Can't give my sources, but this is DCX info.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jason adams
i have 3 words for you jeep designers SOLID FRONT AXLE ... you might as well shut the garage door and start engine in your wennie mobile 'cause anyone who owns a jeep hate you forever. REMEMBER IT A JEEP THING YOU YUPPIES WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND . so you stick to your jap suv's and leave jeeps alone .... if it ain't broke don't f#%* with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: John Garrison
here is my comment

Ma Mopar is going to be veeeerrrry sorry about that indy front suspension. Just a few years ago she exclaimed the virtues of dynamic ground clearnace with a solid axle. Sad Sad Sad.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
Well, I gotta admit I like this shot better
than any previuos..but I'll stil take the
Dakar
Rich

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jake
Where is the SOLID FRONT AXLE that made jeep what it is today!!! this ifs stuff makes any jeeper GAG. other than that i like it

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: BeachJeeper
here is my comment

I have been a jeep owner, especially a Wrangler , owner for some time. I was really hoping the Dakar concept would become a reality. However, the Liberty is a good trade off with a modern approach. I want a 4 door, but didn't want the luxuriuos Grand or another Cherokee. I was almost going to the Nissan Xterra (closest thing built to a traditional Jeep)but, I am positive the Liberty will live up to the Jeep name and beat the pants off the Escape,Tribute and Xterra. Hurry, Jeep ,I want it by summer, my Kayak and surf boards will fit nicely.......

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: steve
I fucking love it!!!!!!!...... its really groovy

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Tim Miller
It certainly looks better than I thought it was going to from previous spy photos. If it can keep the off-road ability of previous cherokees with its looks, it should be a winner, but the jury is still out on that one. If its offroad ability is just similar or slightly better than other small to mid-size sport utes, than the demise of the jeep name has very unfortunately begun. They have the most unique name and history in 4 wheeling, especially in the U. S., and to give that up to be just another sport ute for suburban on-road drivers is insane.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Tony Lockley
Why don't they mention anything about the engine?
As for looks I guess it will take some getting use to!!!!
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