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LibertyDaimlerChrysler Unveils the 2002 Jeep Liberty
Posted by mike on 2001/1/8 0:00:00 (2561) reads








It's really official now. DaimlerChrysler has debuted the all-new 2002 Jeep Liberty at the North American International Auto Show in Detriot. According to the associated press:

The Liberty, which will go on sale around June of this year, will compete against such popular models as the Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4, and a host of upcoming models such as the Saturn Vue.

All feature some form of four-wheel drive, and use frame and suspension designs that have more in common with cars than trucks and offer a more car-like ride. Prices for the Liberty weren't announced, but will likely be in the $18,000 to $23,000 range.

Where the Liberty aims to stand out from its competitors, which are similarly priced, is in off-road ruggedness, even though industry research shows that 95 percent of SUV owners never drive over anything rougher than potholes.

``The emotional research we do says that one of the real hooks of driving an SUV is the notion of safety and security and capability, even if an owner has no intention of ever using it off-road,'' said Tom Marinelli, vice president of the Chrysler Jeep division. ``That's why we're focused on the duality of the personality here.''

Chrysler expects about 15 percent to 20 percent of Liberty owners will go off-roading, and the company is going to great lengths to assure its loyal customers that the Liberty is just as capable off the road as any other Jeep. The Liberty was tested on the rough Rubicon trail in California, and its four-wheel drive system and rear suspension shares components with the Grand Cherokee.

But all that off-road brawn comes with a penalty in weight and cost. The top line model of the Liberty weighs 3,857 pounds, about 400 pounds more than the similarly sized Ford Escape. To haul all that weight, the Liberty relies upon a larger, less fuel-efficient engine.

Keep checking mike's totally free jeep news over the next few days as we'll be giving you more information and showing you more pictures of the new Jeep than anywhere else on the web!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: matt smith
remarkable, jeep has done it again.......simply awesome four stars ****

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeepme
Griff:

For someone who claims to be such a Jeep and off-road enthusiast, your negativity and un-supported opinions are disheartening.
Like with any new product, until you actually try it, you cannot form an intelligent or realistic opinion. In fact, I am sure that the Liberty capabilities will surpass your initial perception of the SUV.
You should test drive the vehicle before you start editorializing your unfounded views.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jason-E
I've been waiting for the Dakar since '97. Now my dreams are layed to rest. I'm very disappointed.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jesus quintana
Has anyone heard of capitalism? If the Cherokee was profitable enough to warrant continued production it would be kept around. An automaker's duty is to produce cars/trucks that will sell, therefore they have to give people what they want to drive. My brother has a 94 XJ and it is sweet, but since there obviously aren't enough other people that agree, off it goes. As for me, I previously wanted an Xterra but now I DEFINITELY want a Liberty (despite the dopey name). If anyone has read Motor Trend's comparison of the Xterra and the XJ Cherokee the Liberty seems a natural direction for Jeep to go. Later...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
I don't think we'll have to worry about putting down the KJ on the trails. I don't do trail rides that the KJ could handle. My 88 XJ trail rider can tackle things in 2wd that the KJ couldn't dream of doing in 4wd. So I don't think many hard core Jeep trail riders will even be in the position to trash the KJ on the trail. Of course the KJ not being able to tackle some of the trails the XJ & TJ will do at the Jamborrees will speak volumes about the cute ute without saying anything. Its almost like the KJ will be digging itself into a hole by not being able to do the trails. Long live the XJ!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: artman canada
what are they thinking? This thing is ugly and does not appear to have any real ground clearance.
What was the matter with the 4.0l engine? It ran forever and had a great amount of torque.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: James Vaughn
I think its going to create a HUGE market for used XJs. It's going to take a lot to convince me that the KJ is a suitable replacement for the XJ, and I certainly hope D-C rethinks discontinuing the current Cherokee. It seems to be the only no-nonsense, pure utility vehicle left.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CrazyJeep
There is so much banter here over the new KJ. Unfortunately its not very positive.

I want to add to my previous comment here. The last news I heard was that Jeep Cherokee sales were WAY down and still falling. Unfortunately the Cherokee is up against the RAV4, Xterra,
V and all the other CUTE-UTE crap (which doesn't compare). The Xterra sales were up something in the range of 200% this year over last?? The people who are buying Cute-Ute's are not buying Grands or TJ's they want an economical choice that is practical for their families and for the daily commute. Its too bad that the GENERAL PUBLIC looked at the Cherokee as beeing outdated, uncomfortable, and boring!

Facing that image, Jeep released the Liberty in the hopes of producing that "middle of the road" SUV which will steal sales away from the competition. Yes, its cute, its not macho, but I'm sure that is not what they are aiming it at! There aren't enough of us die-hards buying the current models to keep Jeep competitive against the rest!

If its every bit of a Jeep that they claim it to be, then we'll hopefully see some at the Jamborees this year. I'm anxious to see how it performs in the face of all these complaints.

Before I end this comment let me say this. I love the current Cherokee (XJ) and rest of the Jeep line-up. There are 3 Cherokees in my extended family. I also know many people who bought non Jeep cute-utes and they like to call them their "Jeep", which is embarrasing and it erks me. So I'm hoping tons of people will buy this new Jeep and proudly claim themselves Jeep owners. I hope they'll join us at the Jamborees and help to continue the Jeep tradition!

I think it will be a sick and pathetic day for Jeep lovers if any of us put down a proud Liberty owner on the trails with us. Each person is entitled to their own tastes! Shame on any of us who tell someone who is looking to buy a SUV not to get the Libery if it is what they like!! If the Libery proves its worth then lets leave the banter here or else we as Jeep lovers could, ourselves, kill our wonderful tradition!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
crazyjeep is right..they should have
gone with the Dakar platform..it would
be kicking the Xterra's butt...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Bob
Hey Guys!

Come on, let's give this new Liberty a fair
chance. Nobody here has driven one, let alone sat
in one. All I hear are sour grapes.

Early off-road reports are very positive. 4 Wheel
& Off Road magazine had some very favorable
comments, as to how it did off road. And... they
are every bit as skeptical a group as you folks
are.

I for one think Jeep has a huge hit on their hands
here. They know what they're doing. Let's give it
chance before we trash it t

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jim
here is my comment:

I don't know about anyone else, everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but, I think the new Jeep Liberty is hideous. It's looks like a Suzuki or a Chevy Tracker for crying out loud. DC and Jeep looks like they have jumped into the "cute-SUV" category and have strayed away from what Jeep became known for. I love my 97 Cherokee Country, and I may be biased or pessimistic, but I would never consider purchasing a Liberty for myself. Maybe it will be just as good, but many people today buy cars and SUV's based on appearance. If you want something cute to drive around a city in, get the Liberty. If you want Jeep tradition and off-raod capability, then buy a Cherokee/Wrangler while they still last. I hope Jeep knows what they are doing.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Read Don't Just Look
The Liberty is larger than the cherokee... go to the official site to get the details... www.jeepunpaved.com

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: steve davies
extremely dissapointed . While I understand the need to be competative with other companies and also make a profit , as a jeep owner we are a different breed and expect different things from our suvs not offered from the other manufactures . A jeep is a jeep that is road worthy while not compromising it's off road abilities . This new design looks to me to be shorter which will make the truck to small ,just like all the others it is supposed to compete with .


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: steve davies
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CrazyJeep
I have many mixed opions on the new Liberty and the direction that Jeep is going. I own a 95' Wrangler. I fell in love with the Jeep brute strength, go anywhere appeal. But it is fun OFF the road! On the road, it's loud, jittery, and unpleasant for long trips, BUT it is a Wrangler, what can you expect?

Now, does anyone remember when Jeep unveiled the TJ? There were many people crying foul over the new coil suspension. Many thought it would not be as strong as the leaf pack sprung Jeeps. Today many hard core wheeler’s are envious of the increasing numbers of TJ’s that can be found on the trails. Smoother ride, better articulation from the factory, and just as strong! I also know that there are many new comers to the Jeep name now, because of the improved ride of the new TJ. So Jeep did it then, they made a better vehicle with up to date technology, why can’t they do it again with the Liberty?

I do have my reservations. I want to scream at some of the goof brains that I talk to that won’t by a Cherokee or Grand Cherokee because of their solid axles. Instead they go out and buy their Rav’s and Xterra’s and then gawk at the owners of Range Rovers and Land Rovers. Rovers have solid axles front and rear!! Do they (Rover) know something that we don’t? Nobody complains about solid axles there! I like the solid axle design, it “seems” stronger and is very easy to modify!

I am going to trust that Jeep did their homework again and made a stronger IFS front end! From what I am hearing here, they made it awfully beefy! If anyone wants to argue IFS strength, look at the heavy duty 4X4 pickups and Blazers out there. Its unfortunate that those people who desire to modify their IFS Jeeps will have to spend considerably more money to lift their rigs. Will there be lockers or limited slip for the front end??

I like the venerable I-6 engine of the current Jeeps, powerful and reliable. But, V6 seems to scream performance in today’s small SUV market. Jeep must have decided that they needed to change the “entire package” to entice the “not so Jeep” fan over to our way of thinking.

Finally I wish that Jeep would have used the DAKAR platform for their new Jeep. I think that look was definitely the way of the future. But who am I to say. Though the Liberty may seem like a Jeep version of the Xterra, I think when the dust settles the new Jeep will be the winner! If they played their cards right and it proves its worthy of the Jeep logo, AND wins more people over to Jeep then….Kudos to the Jeep Engineers!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Don
here is my comment

I'm an optimist. The TJ really was a step forward from the YJ, so I think D-C isn't stupid enough to blow it with their core market. And although I dearly love my 88 XJ, I've been waiting eagerly to take a look at the KJ. Given all the pseudo-ute options out there, I think the KJ will carry the "real Jeep" banner as well as any of us could hope for. I'll give it every chance.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: phil
While I am disappointed that more of the the classic cherokee design was not retained, I will definitely consider the Liberty as a replacement. In comparison to its rivals, Jeep has provided a 5 speed manual with its larger engine whereas the competitors have agained assumed that we are all lacking the ability to shift gears and enjoy the "sport". For that reason alone, I will purchase the Liberty.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
Taaa Daaahh..... I present to you the new KJ Liberty. Made from the finest DC parts and late model Ford parts such as... The cheap plastic metalic looking panels from the Laredo WJ... The radio from the grand caravan... the undercarrage and body from the windshield back of a PT Crusier... the wheels from the Jeep ICON... and the white leather from a 71 Pinto Deluxe edition. I personally am waiting for them to have a vinyl roof on it for the limited KJ.

Well Along with being thouroghly disapointed with the exterior after further thought and looking at the interior I find the whole car hiddeous. The steering wheel is the only thing I like, minus the stupid plasic trim. They went mucho overboard with the plastic metallic trim. I trust that will be replaced with fake plastic wood on the limited. The door panels and the seats look like they are covered in white leather. WHITE LEATHER?!?!?! This is a Jeep if you don't remember. Jeep=Mud, or in the KJ's case KJ=Big Dirty puddles. That is possibly the worst color interior on Jeeps you can have. It will get beyond dirty after about a year or 2. Even if you never take it off road, after 4 or 5 spilled cokes by little billy and sally in the back seat you are going to be swimming in a sea of stains. Well for all you dandy little KJ lovers that are going to have my neck for trashing the KJ I do like that they kept the lever operated Transfer case. But the shifter is too tall and blocks the temperature controls.

For all you that wondered why they chopped the XJ. Take a look at the pricing scheem of the KJ. Look familiar. Oh its the XJ's. There was no way they could keep to sport utilities in the same price range within their lineup. Thats the real reason it was canceled. The KJ was made to replace the XJ so why would they have to two running at the same time even if they had different names. Ford doesn't have a Explorer and another SUV thats the same price. So why would Jeep have two Jeeps in the same price range. So I am looking forward to the test drive maybe they'll let me drive it over the curb or something. Well say good buy the Jeep name plates individuality and its number one brand loyalty rating. After they kill the TJ I suppose they will have a new Wrangler. I just hope they have that cool plastic metalic look trim. I hope its all across the Jeep line. Can we say ULTRA TACKY. But maybe I'm just too old, I guess it really Hip because BMW's and Audi's have it. But lest we not forget that they can afford to put real metal in. If your going to do it do it right, not plastic. Long live the XJ!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: marvin
here is my comment: this is going to be a huge hit!! I will be putting a deposit on it.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
I didn't say Jeep was abandoning me. I mearly drawed attention to the fact that Jeep is going to and will lose alot of former customers when it throws the KJ into the mix. Jeep was number one in return buyer/customer loyalty compared with other car brands. Jeep stands to lose alot of that with this KJ truck. They lose the faithful Cherokee buyer that comes back and wants another XJ after the first one he bought (don't say they don't exsists because there are alot of people that post here that will say otherwise) and they gain buyers (mommys and hip middle-agers that cant afford a WJ yet) that are using the KJ as the vehicle between the beater they had in highschool and moving on up to a Suburban/Excursion/Expedition for family hauling. That is what I was drawing attention. Jeep is mearly alienating its previous ownership somewhat with this vehicle.

Oh and by the way just because I like Jeeps and enjoy posting on this message board does not make me have no life. I am a big fan of Land Rover and I post on some LR sites. SO WHAT? Woo Hoo so I like to offroad and spend my free time working on my old Jeeps. Sorry I prefer to not call it no life and call it a hobby. So sorry XJ Ken i do have a life.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Anti- Griff
In response to XJ Ken; You are probably right, but Jeep is in my blood
and always will be.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: XJ Ken
You two previous guys need to get a life ! Especially you Griff . You keep
saying Jeep is abandoning you, it seems to me you are abandoning Jeep.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lord Jeep
I had really hoped that DC would have gone with the Dakar or the Jeepster, but hey they don't pay me to make the big call! I was glad to hear due to strong sales that the XJ is going to be around a bit longer. Frankly I have some reservations about the new KJ Liberty but I remember the out cry of enraged people when both the TJ and YJ came out, so everyone is going to whine about the new Jeep not being good until they end up buying one.

The big gripe I hear from everyone is the plastic. Frankly I hated the over use of chrome onJeeps over the past ten years. Chrome looked good in the 50's. steel looked good in the 20's, this is the 00's and along with it came new technologies. Plastics as well as carbons and other composites are not only less expensive to replace but are more durable, it is time to get with the times, if I wanted chrome, I'll drive my 49 Merc.

I own 2 Jeeps, a 78 DJ5G and and an 84 J10, frankly I think the Liberty would be a nice third one if I was not in the middle of buying a 99 XJ. And I am reasonably sure that the new KJ will be named 4X4 of the year by msot all automotive reviews.

So give the KJ a chance before slamming an unseen Jeep prototype.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Anti-Griff
Hey Griff ! Here's a news flash for you. You are not a true Jeep enthusiast. You
are a XJ enthusiast, and even though there is nothing wrong with that they are
two totally different things. The time has come for you to stop passing yourself
off as the greatest Jeep enthusiast of all time. As Jeepme stated you have not
driven the Liberty and thus can not form an intelligent opinion. In fact in your
opinion anyone who has seen, touched and driven the Liberty has been brain-
washed by the evil DC empire. If there is a GOD out there he will be driving a
Liberty on the same Jamboree as you and he will pull your butt out when
you manage to get stuck. One last thing, If you happen to surf the net God,
please save the Cherokee. XJ forever !

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Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
Everyone needs to read Motor Trends article on it. I found the best part to be in the little tack on segment about taking it off road. They had a bunch of support vehicles ranging from XJ's to TJ's and some WJ's. They took all of these on the rubicon trail along with the KJ and MT says the KJ is better because it came back with only a few scratches. They said the WJ's had to get a everything replaced other than the roof, and the XJ's tail light assemblies were falling out. If you ask me I think DC is doing stuff like this to discredit the Jeeps we have now. I am sure that there is no way the KJ could have pulled every thing the WJ, TJ, and XJ did and only have "a few scratches." Just think about it XJ owners that trail ride with your XJ, have you ever had a tail light assembly fall out and need replacing. I've broken tail lights but they never fell out. I done atleast 50 trails on my 88 XJ and nothing of the sort has happened to it. As for the WJ it is like the KJ in the since it has way to many bubbly plastic parts to get dented or just hang off and decrease the amount of angle or height of rocks the truck can do. But they really are making sure that all the auto mags think the KJ is the next best thing to a Hummer. Boy is DC playing them for a fool.

I talked to a guy at my local Jeep dealer and he says he curses the day this truck (if i dare call it that) hits the road. Being that it is so much DC parts bin stuff (aka WJ Grand Cherokee) that they will have just another set of vehicles they will always be doing repairs on. He says he sees more WJ's in his dealers shop than any other truck and he expects the same from the KJ.

Once again Jim, not trying to be mean, THE HUMMER'S IFS IS NOT IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE KJ'S. That goes for everyone else that compares the two. Its like saying just because the Ford Crown Victoria has a V8 it should be as fast a BMW M5 because it has a V8 too. Once again the two independant suspensions were designed with totally different purposes in mind. You go test drive a Hummer right before you test drive that KJ and then tell me if the Hummer drives and rides real smooth like more like a car than a truck because it has IFS. Thats what Jeep was going for, I really doubt AM General had that in mind when designing it for the army. But until the Army gets little pink uniforms with lace fringe I doubt they would touch the KJ with a 50 ft pole. They prefer the more manly trucks such as your over glorified IFS Hummer.

Also the TJ came out the way it did because Jeep owners were complaining about the YJ. Does anyone remember the shirts that started showing up at Jeep Jamborees right after YJ introduction that said "Real Jeeps have Round Headlights." I'll clue you in to what they were complaining about... Not the XJ.... The YJ. Most Jeep people were very happy when the TJ came out. Because it was simple, affordable, and the aftermarket fell in love with making parts and accesories for it. TJ was a welcome departure from the square headlights and suspension woes of the YJ so once again that is another comparison that is useless and untrue.

Sorry to get up on my high horse and preach but some people are just saying stuff in here that isn't true just to sound like they know what they are talking about. Of course I'm sure people think that I do that but I never say anything that isn't worth reading. It all comes down to I personally will miss the XJ very much and I really am not going to imbrace the KJ because it doesn't exemplify everything a Jeep should be. While some disagree with me, I really don't mind. I enjoy the harsh comments directed towards me and other KJ disliking Jeep owners. Long live the XJ.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jim
The people who complain about the looks have obviously never seen a Jeep. None of them are "pretty" by traditional standards. As as far as IFS off-road goes, you'd probably have a hard time telling the boys at AM General that its a bad idea off-road to go independant.
To all the complainers: Shut up until you get one stuck or better yet have to pull one out. If you don't you'll probably have to eat your words just like we all did in '87 and '97 when the new Wranglers came out. A Liberty will pass your sorry high-centered butt. They don't pay those engineers the big bucks to have bad ideas.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean
By the time the 4 cyl Automatic Jeep Willys
homo mobile is released you'll all be crying
about the "Great" Icon & Liberty! LOL What a
piece of crap concept that was today!!! Still, the
Liberty isn't as bad as I thought, at least they
made sure the it could handle the type of
offroad tests that Jeeps traditionally pass....I'm
still keeping my XJ, but reports of great offroad
tests even with the new IFS system, and the
recent pictures make me feel a little better
about this new SUV.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CharlieH
I printed photos of Liberty and showed them to friends at work. All said I should keep my '97 Cherokee. Who says it's out dated? Good luck Chrysler. You've got a hard selling job ahead. Long live Cherokee . . . greatest SUV of all!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: joe
here is my comment

Well, for you people who think that the Jeep is going to be priced the same, well surprise surprise. I have been talking to my dealer about the new Jeep and it is going to cost $4000.00 higher. So, for example a Sport decently equipped, sells for about $25,000.00 MSRP, so add four grand and your pushing $30,000.00. Sure, sure you'll probably get your dealer to hack $2000.00 off the price, but still that much? I'll think i'll buy a wrangler or grand and get a true Jeep.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: David
Check out jeepunpaved.com click on the Liberty and you will see this vehicle from a different angle-level!! It doesn't look all that bad after all, and it's got ROUND HEADLIGHTS!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: David
It still looks like an Austin Mini on steriods to me!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: ed
My only comment is why? Look on the road and at least 3-4t of every 10 autos are jeeps. Maybe DC figured that everyone who would buy a jeep cherokee had one

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: bill-nyc
Jeep Liberty-Fine. But don't get rid of the Cherokee. The name itself has a reputation.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
My good buddy the Anti-Griff, you are so very wrong about the WJ. Yes it is a Jeep in the sense it is more so than the KJ but its the things like the thing in the dash that adjust body temp by scanning your body heat and the tacky plastic chrome that replaced the less tacky plastic wood on the Laredos. Honestly, i like climate control, but scaning my body and seeing if i am too hot and cold then adjusting the tempature? Does anyone think its features like this which sound alittle excessive. Maybe its just me but I prefered the ZJ Grand. Also when I say it hasn't proven itself well. Go talk to any mechanic at a Jeep dealer (a big one) and ask him about the WJ. Ask him about all the repairs he has made on WJ's that aren't even out of warranty that shouldn't need to be made. There are quality issues with the WJ like no other. Its not just like with the ZJ having the crappy parts bin transmission. Everything including all the over glorified complicated systems seems to have problems that shouldn't happen when a vehicle is so new or driven so little that it is still under warranty. So that is what I mean when I say the WJ has proven itself somewhat of a half rate Jeep. Frankly the build quality stinks. Long live the XJ!!/XJ Forever!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Anti-Griff
In response to XJ Ken heres proof. I don't know if you've seen the Tom Hanks movie "Castaway" but a Jeep Cherokee plays a big part in it. His girlfriend played by Helen Hunt saves his XJ for him and he drives off into the
sunset ( sort of ). That was the best part of the movie .


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Anti-Griff
Thanks for proving my point Griff. By your own admission you are a "Classic
Jeep Enthusiast" and not a true Jeep enthusiast. Now before you get all offended and hot under the collar let me say once again there is nothing
wrong with that. Your list of owned and previously owned Jeeps is very impressive, but the sheer number of vehicles owned does not make someone
a better enthusiast. I happen to think that it is entirely possible for someone
who has never owned a Jeep of any kind to be a great Jeep enthusiast. I support the Jeep brand, not just certain years or certain models. I feel that
every Jeep vehicle is special and a cut above the competition relative to the
time and competition that it is built. This was true from the MB through the
CJ, YJ, TJ, XJ, ZJ right up to the WJ and the coming KJ. From everything that I
have heard and read the engineers have come up with a great design. Now if
the KJ fails in the real world then I will admit it sucks, but until that happens I
am going to give a fair shot. The Anti-Griff exist solely because of your
opinions on the KJ and the WJ, and the fact that you do not feel they are real
Jeeps. The WJ has already proven itself and time will tell what kind of vehicle
the KJ is. As long as you make unsubstantiated statements slamming the KJ
and its potential owners I will continue to challenge you. There is one area that
we totally agree, and that is our shared passion for the XJ, the greatest SUV of
all time. Do I think the XJ should be discontinued ? NO ! Do I think that DC is
making a mistake in doing so ? YES !
As for my signing off with your "XJ FOREVER" that was actually done to show
my support for your opinions on the XJ, and was not intended to offend you in any way. so from now on it shall be as it should be "JEEP FOREVER"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
I see I have made quite the collection of adoring fans. Well here's my comment directed towards my evil twin "Anti-Griff," yes I am a true Jeep enthusiast. When the TJ and YJ came out were you telling everyone who didn't like those that they weren't true Jeep enthusiast but more specific enthusiast like that only liked CJ's or YJ's. I really don't advise it because it isn't based if fact very well. I have owned 2 CJ-7's, a CJ-8, a CJ-5, a SJ Cherokee Chief, 4 XJ's of different years, a ZJ, and a Jeep Honcho pickup and I loved all of them. Some more than my XJ's (GASP!?!? Thats right my CJ's I've owned were better Jeeps). But to go as far as not to call me a Jeep enthusiast, well I'm a tad bit insulted but I'll make it. I guess if you wanted to get specific I would call myself a Classic Jeep enthusiast or a Jeeps of Yesteryear enthusiast. I am sorry but I do not embrace the KJ for the very reasons that I have not embraced the WJ Grand. It represents Jeep pulling away from from everything its worked so hard to do from the time it was Willys owned and pulling hard into the mainstream every ones got one SUV market. The XJ was a vehicle everyone loved. It could offroad so it made people like me happy, mom's could haul kids around in it, and public works and fleets could use it because it is simple no frills vehicle. This is what a Jeep should be it should be able to fufill every catagory. The KJ can do the mommy market, according to every offroad magazine it can do the offroad market (that has yet to be seen by people other than magazines who highly overrate every new SUV), but it isn't a fleet type vehicle. It only fully embraces the mommy market. I know your saying but Car magazine X (insert the one of choice) said it was a beast, when motor trend took KJ XJ WJ and TJ out that the KJ had the least damage, and it been on the rubicon trail. Well believing car mags and offroad mags is like buying a car for the price the sticker says on the window, you just don't trust it. So I am being more wary of this Jeep that other people because of the low build quality of the WJ, and since the KJ seems to have taken everything down to the engine, shrunk it, and threw it into the KJ I am waiting to see if there are as many KJ's in the Jeep dealer shops as WJ's are for low mileage repairs that shouldn't need to be done.

So there once again is my 2 Cents. If you don't want to call me a Total Jeep enthusiast don't, but I love quite a broad range of Jeeps other than the XJ, some more loved than the XJ actually. Also my evil twin the "Anti-Griff" I would love to go on a trail ride with you. I'll let you drive the KJ, I'll take my 86 CJ-8 360 V8 with a coil over suspension somewhere around 6 or 7 inches of lift and 35 swampers, or my 88 XJ 4.0 with 5 inches of lift and 32 swampers, also if you give me a few months I am about done with a mean CJ-7 rock crawler. We'll see who pulls out who, also if you want to go stock I've got a stock XJ and i guarantee its better than the KJ offroad. Also at the Jamborees don't expect to see the KJ's on very hard trails, Jeep doesn't want to make its self look bad. Also "Anti-Griff," "Long live the XJ!" is my thing. Lets not copy a person who isn't a real Jeep enthusiast like you. Long live the Jeep brand minus the KJ and WJ!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jimmy roe
...the Liberty looks to be a hook in the evolution of the Cherokee...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: dana300
They should have built the DAKAR. That vehicle will always remain the best looking Jeep I've ever seen and I would have bought one in a heartbeat.

I'm sure the KJ (Kute Jeep) will find its place among the Jeep faithful and possibly some folks who might not otherwise consider a Jeep and that can't be a bad thing. The aftermarket is already measuring/disassembling it to whip up the usual bolt-on toys, etc. so I will wait and see since real Jeeps are built not bought.

BUT....IFS is complicated and expensive to modify and it's still IFS and that's not a good thing for off-road. The old Jeeps were easy to modify and cheap to run and I think those qualities are disappearing in the new generation of Jeeps. That was always a big selling point with me - simplicity and reliability. I'm sorry to see the brand get swallowed up into corporate marketing segments and focus groups. Something special is being lost a year at a time. Fortunately, they sold a #$%^load of XJs and good used ones are still plentiful.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Rowena
here is my comment...... Like the comment earlier no one here has driven it and shouldn't that be the true test? Isn't that what JEEP has always been about? As for the look of it........ everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if you look back through time, whenever things change there is always controversy. When VW came out with the new BUG Everyone had something to say. Now it is JEEP's turn so hey! Talk away because we know change always brings about bigger notority and sales! I cannot wait to actually see and drive one.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JeepnJunky
Well i have to say that the new KJ looks down right stupid. I've been a die hard Jeep fans for years, right now owning a heavily moded CJ5 and a 98 grand cherokee, but i dont like the direction that jeep is going either. the new grand cherokee's looks like a hopped up minivan and the KJ looks horrible. Change is one thing but drastic change is another.
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