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Want (need) some "official" news about the Jeep Liberty? Then point your browser at www.jeepunpaved.com (the official jeep site) and behold, the greatest source of Jeep Liberty information this side of Stuttgart! Oh yeah, and make sure you have the Macromedia Flash Player installed (http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/download/) - you're gonna need it!

In addition to plenty of official propaganda, you'll find offical pricing information, a FAQ page, a "Build My Liberty" page, and a complete list of specifications. The site touts the Liberty as "the next great Jeep idea" - we've heard rumors that this phrase will be the backbone of the Liberty's massive advertising campaign.

One of our favorite features of the site is the "Vehicle Comparison" section, where you can directly compare the Liberty with the competition's offerings. Just for kicks, we compared the 2002 Liberty 4X4 Limited with the 2001 Nissan XTerra SE 4X4 and discovered the following facts:

  • The Liberty has a slightly larger engine (3.7L V6 vs. 3.3L V6) that produces more horsepower (210 vs. 170)
  • The Liberty produces more torque (235 lbs ft vs. 200)
  • The XTerra has a slightly larger fuel tank (19.4 gal vs. 18.5) - NOTE: EPA fuel economy numbers are not yet available for the Liberty
  • The XTerra and the Liberty have identical wheelbases (104.30 in)
  • The XTerra is 3.8 inches longer than the Liberty, but the vehicles have virtually the same height and width
  • The Liberty has almost 2 more inches of ground clearance (10.10 in vs. 8.4)
  • The Liberty weighs over 200 lbs less than the XTerra (automatic transmission)
  • The Liberty has over twice as much towing capacity than the XTerra

According to the site (in the "Build My Liberty" section) available exterior colors for the Liberty are:

  • Black Clear Coat
  • Bright Silver Metallic Clear Coat
  • Dk. Garnet Red Pearl Coat
  • Flame Red Clear Coat
  • Patriot Blue Pearl Coat
  • Salsa Red Pearl Coat
  • Shale Green Metallic Clear Coat
  • Steel Blue Pearl Coat
  • Stone White Clear Coat
  • Woodland Brown Satin Glow

Another cool area of the site is within the "Design" tab, in the Concept|Designer area - included here is a brief Q&A with the chief Liberty designer, Bob Boniface. When asked what some of the main objecttives when he was designing the Liberty, he replied, "One of the main objectives was to design a vehicle that was totally different from the Grand Cherokee, one that had its own identity and its own image. It still had to be a Jeep vehicle, but it had to have its own identity. So that's when we came up with the more upright profile, the short overhangs and the external spare. That's also the time we came up with the overall aesthetic of the car, which was derived more from the Wrangler side of the family.

If the information on the offical site isn't enough for you, be sure to click on the "Get a Brochure" link to get an actual printed brochure in your mailbox (no, not your email box, but your snailmail box)!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
Oh, great god ancient forefather Willys-Overland(1941-1964), son of the Military Bantam, original ass-kicking, balls to the walls ,Jeep: forgive them, for they know not what they do! Your great name has been soiled with the ranting and whinings of yuppies who want you to be what you should not be. They mock your great grandson (KJ) Liberty before he has had a chance to walk on four wheels or make it thorough his first model year!! They come to your threshold demanding all-wheel drive so that their fat-ass wives can drive to the mall with out wondering" what is that lever'? Liberty's father (XJ)(1984-present) wants to die now that he had lived to a ripe old age and seen an heir to the Jeep throne. But the hardcore segment on the other side will not let him die. He is tired and wants to go to that great assembly line in the sky.His brothers all all gone-- All-Steel Wagon (1946-1962) pickup(1946-1964). Ten years ago his younger sibling Grand Wagoneer (1962-1991) went to the other side with minimal hassle. The glory days of AMC and Kaiser also also long gone. You fathered a stream of CJs along the way: CJ2A , CJ3B, CJ5, CJ6(long-wheelbase), CJ7, and CJ8 (Scrambler, also longer wheelbase), as well as their sons, Comanche(1986-1992), Wrangler(1987-present), and of course Cherokee. Cherokee is ready to die, drivers ---let him go. Give Liberty a chance.

In the name of Bantam CarCompany, Willys-Overland, Kaiser-Frazier,American Motors, Chrysler, and DaimlerChrysler-- LET IT BE!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
I don't know what purpose this serves,(perhaps to illustate the differences in mens' and womens' preferences?) but I'm sure there are some women that do piss in the shower. As a man, I can answer of course with a resounding "Yes". When the urge to piss hits you just as soon as you've gotten in the shower, why waste water and get the floor all wet? As for the questions you have for Utah, I don't know the reasoning behind them either, but I would hope that you're asking him to test him and not you. Because I can get as technical as you want (not saying that those questions are). Also, a spelling tidbit -- the word is "regarding."

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
Why don't all of you kiss my ass? I guess I'll have to clarify what I was saying , since you idiots can't understand anything that's not so literal a five-year-old WOULD understand it. I was saying that an image is not a good reason to buy a Jeep, although it helps. The Liberty is not CUTE, you morons.It's bigger than the vehicle that it replaces, for pete's sake. It it because it's round?.. Can your sense not handle that? As for your insults, it sounds like a bunch of middle-aged losers who haven't had any fresh pussy except for their butt-ugly wives' are turning gay and asking me to put on mascara and to hold them!!! To answer that, I tell you: burn in hell forever, O.K.? Back to the Jeep Liberty :Like I've said before, It's called progress and capitalism--the carmaker will create what will sell, and all good things (Cherokee) must come to an end. I'll bet you jackasses are still pissed that Bambi got killed , eh? Nobody's asking you to buy a Liberty-- keep your Cherokees, if you like 'em--I'm selling mine in approximately a year. The Liberty's short back end that I'm assuming lead you to the Kia Sportage comparison just makes for a better breakover angle, right? Yes,It does, significantly better. You can compare the two Jeeps for yourselves. It's not too different from the cab-forward that Chrysler used on other vehicles. More space between the axles, which means less bulk fore and aft of them, which translate to better handling and in this case, greater angles at at which to rockcrawl without body contact. So what's wrong with that? I thought you boys didn't want to compromise off-road ability?You really have no legitmate complaints and you can't argue anything except for your personal opinions on the looks of the Liberty. But you're butting your heads into the wall and you'll be eating your words as time goes on. Wait and see. Like I said, if you hate comfort and want ALL off-road ability, buy a Humvee.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Utah
haha....OK, I get it now Jerry C. Because I like the styling of the Cherokee, and I think it looks more "masculine" than a RAV-4....my "man-hood" comes into question. Would you also question my manhood because I would prefer to wear a suit to go to a business meeting, rather than a dress? Hey....just cause you like wearing a dress Jerry C, does not make you a bad person...so don't cry.

My "man-hood" is secure....and my eyes are still working too! They tell me that the styling of the Liberty puts it in the same category as other "cute-utes". That's my opinion.
I owned a 78 CJ-7 for 10 years.....and it looked nothing like the Liberty to me...except for a few similar features in the front end.

My eyes also tell me that almost every time I pull up beside a RAV-4, Grand Vitara, or KIA Sportage, there is a female behind the wheel. Now that's not a bad thing....cause I enjoy looking at the fairer sex....but, that is the market segment who purchase cute-utes. So maybe the one good thing about the Jeep Liberty is that we might see more ladies (cause that's who will be buying this new Jeep) posting on this message board.

Best thing about that for you Jerry C....is that you will now have someone to share your tips with on how to apply your eye-liner, while driving your new Jeep Liberty to the shopping mall.

Seriously though Jerry.....you attack my man-hood for stating that the Cherokee has a "masculine" look....and then you agree with me in your next sentence, buy describing feminine looking vehicles. You can't have it both ways bud....so make your points without getting personal...and try and get your facts straight at the same time.

As for Joe-Nos.....you agree with me too...and then also jump on the .... if it makes you feel manly...than go for it band-wagon.

So....I guess I have to re-state my earlier point cause some of you just ain't getting it:
Soccer Moms buy Cute Utes....they like the look and the car-like ride. A lot of men buy trucks and SUV's. They like the "masculine" looks...and enjoy the tough, rugged ride.

If the Liberty looks cute...it will appeal to the ladies who buy the Cute-Utes. But if it rides rough and tough like a Jeep....then maybe they will just buy a RAV-4 etc with thier car-like rides instead. If men find the Liberty looks cute....well they just won't buy it.

So, my point is....the Liberty might strike out with both groups of purchasers.
That's my opinion.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
Jerry C. is a man's man. Hold me Jerry C. I'm scared.

Joe "always" Nos

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
Anyone on here who buys a Jeep to promote an image obviously questions their masculinity if they even had to bring it up as a reason. Yes, I'm aware that some vehicles themselves really are masculine/feminine by their image/looks-- that's inescapable. Ex: VW Cabriolet-feminine. Dodge diesel 1-ton-masculine. The Liberty isn't a "cute" Jeep just because it has round edges!!!! It is both a modern update and a wind resistance improvement. It is bigger, easier to drivr and more functional. Simple as that. If anything, it looks more like Jeep than anything since the CJs. It has the rounded lights and seven slat grille that are so familiar. No one will ever mistake it for a Geo or Kia,as some people have suggested, unless you're tripping or your vision is totally gone. There's no similarity!! That reminds me of when the new 1997 F-150s were coming out, some people said it looked like a Dodge. Seriously! Yeah, I guess manyl trucks look alike if you don't care or pay attention. The sun and the moon are both round and up in the sky, but are they the same?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Utah
I don't think I have to wait to test drive the Liberty before i make up my mind on this. Clearly this new vehicle is aimed at a different segment of the market. That segment is anybody who wants a Cute-Ute. It's easy to see that. Test reports and articles about the Liberty are always mentioning Escapes, RAV-4's, Trackers and Grand Vitara's as the competition for Liberty. Even the previous poster is comparing the Liberty to the Escape.
There's nothing wrong with that.....but make no mistake.....the Liberty is not appealing to the same group of purchasers who for the most part, own Cherokee's.
I don't care if 90% of Cherokee owners never go off road. They still like a rough and tumble...somewhat crude....classic looking.....and dare I say "masculine" SUV. It's always nice to know that your Jeep can handle the rough stuff on the trails....even if you don't want to trail ride.
The Liberty might sell well, but there is a lot of competition in that sector of the market. If the Liberty looks cute...but rides a bit rough as some test reports state....then who is going to buy it? Certainly not the women, soccer-moms, and posers who drive the Cute-Utes already out there. The market-place is being flooded with Sport Utility Vehicles that are all trying to cater to this crowd who drive RAV-4's etc. Jeep is taking a run at the same customer with the Liberty, but the Cherokee offered something different....that was it's strength.
This is my opinion....and I might be wrong in a big way.....but I don't think so.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: 3
Be careful what you wish for Jerry.....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Trent
What's the deal with this tough guy mentality? Most of you seem to be the type to define their manhood though the size of your engine and all the stickers on your windows. Get some mental toughness not be throw off by an individual's post on a web site, it's only one's opinion. And if you really want to be "tough", use your body to climb a mountain. Otherwise the Jeep is tough and you are the pussy or poseur, which ever title you choose, doing nothing.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Gary
here is my comment:
The new liberty, when compared to the Cherokee on Jeep's own website in this article, has less front legroom, less baggage space. and it has IFS, so the ground clearance figure is static (sitting still), not dynamic (moving), so when you come off a rock or hit a dip and the springs compress you'll be down to about 5 inches of clearance. Sorry, that just won't do! According to the Jeep employee in an earlier comment on this list, it has worse fuel mileage than the XJ. Plus it is longer and wider, and I have to squeez my XJ through tough trails as it is. Plus it's ugly. After 15 years of owning XJ's I was ready for an improved Jeep, and it didn't have to be an XJ, but this Liberty thing is just junk. I'll keep the XJ and solid axles thank you.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean (Not the fla guy r the other Sean)
I'm glad Griff is posting again! He's right too,
the Liberty BLOWS. I just got a CJ7 project, let
the money pit begin!!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
And I'm sure they'll throw away 3 plus years of engineering, a new factory, the 2 and one half billion dollar development cost, and overwhelming demand just because you (and a few hundred others)asked them to. Never mind that they must make a profit after the German idiot put them in financial pitfalls. Never mind that this Jeep is probably better than the Cherokee in 95% of the important details.Never mind that it's a 1983 design and has enjoyed a good long life. Never mind that Chrysler had to make both engines SULEV compliant by 2003 anyway: retooling would not justify the cost of keeping the old vehicle. You're just a wee bit late. The death warrant for the XJ has been signed. But, do what makes you happy. "cause solid axles rule", right?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Johnathan Lo
SAVE THE CHEROKEE XJ, SIGN THE PETITION!
AND CALL OR MAIL CHRYSLER, SAYING YOU WANT THE XJ TO STAY!
AND KEEP JEEP HERITAGE ALIVE!
http://www.petitiononline.com/no666/petition.html

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean (Not the other Sean)
Hey, that sounds like something I would say!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Craig Schroeder
here is my commentI was impressed with all the comparisons I could make with other vehicles. I could even compare the Liberty to a 2001 Cherokee. I found one statistic very impressive. It said the maximum towing capacity for a Liberty was 10,100 pounds. Do you believe that? Go Liberty!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
My apologies Jerry C. I thought you were a woman.
Sorry for the incorrect assumption. I wonder how I came to this conclusion? It boggles my mind :).


Joe "Doesn't know" Nos


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
Ok, no more messing around :). I have questions for Utah and Jerry C.

For Utah:

1. If a engine is a 2.5L, 3.7L, or 4.0L. What is the difference? Are the Engines bigger as the L's go up?

2. What is the difference between a solid front axle compared to the one in the new liberty. This is the number one complaint I hear reguarding the new liberty.

3. What does the Lo gear do? Does it double the torque? What is torque?

For Jerry C:

1. Do women piss in the shower?


Thats's all,
Joe Always Nos

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: John Q. Public
I know engineers at the Truck/Jeep division. Some of them won't even buy a Jeep Liberty. With IFS, no more 4.0L, +500lbs heavier, & UGLY can you blame them? The thing looks like a KIA Sportage for Christ's sake. I doubt you will see a Liberty on the road in 10 years with 200K on it. I hope they haven't dismantled the Cherokee's production lines yet..... They may still need them....


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
I realize that I was just now butting MY head against the wall by trying to explain ANYTHING to a Yankee and a Canadian!! No wonder they couldn't understand anything I was saying, and no wonder they were talking about cross-dressing!! Oh, yeah, I saw both your Moms' panties on E-bay and bought 'em to use as a tent-cover for my Jeep, you assholes! Remember, folks,bythe " logic" of Utah the Canadian Mormon polygamist and Joe, the Nos-nothing- but-blow, the following is true: And I quote,"men buy trucks because they like the ROUGH RIDE...." (gasp) heaven forbid it would be because they NEED them to haul a bunch of shit that a car can't! A truck should be utilitarian first, but if it is MORE MODERN, MORE COMFORTABLE and MORE AERODYNAMIC as well, then, what is the problem? Please tell me.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Utah
haha....good one Joe. Your post did make me laugh.

OK....here's my response to you:
- I'm canadian....so no southern flag waving for me. (p.s. utah is not in the southern US anyway...so brush up on your geography)
- I don't hate Korean/Jap Cute-Utes. It's just that it's mainly women that buy them, becaue of the styling, and the AWD etc. See...they like 'em cause they are cute.
- Most soccer moms actually drive mini-vans.
- My fat ass fights nicely in the Cherokee....despite it's reputation for having poor seats, headroom, and interior space.

BTW Joe....you yourself said (in an earlier post) that the Liberty is going after the Cute-ute market, and others have posted that they have seen it, and it does have that Cute-ute styling.

My point is if it looks too cute...than maybe only guys like Jerry C. will want to purchase them...and if the Liberty rides too rough....than the ladies will stick to thier Sportages...Grand Vitara's etc.

Anyway...time will tell.

thanks for the laugh Joe.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
Attention Utah, stop shoveling that shit and listen. Most soccer moms buy suburbans if you have not noticed. Are these cute suvs??? The issues you raise are built upon personal taste and your distaste of Japanese/Korean built suvs. I bet the only reason you don't like these cute suvs is because you can't fit your big ass in one. Come on; take that southern flag off the hood and get with the times. hEEEEE HawWWWW!!!

And Jerry C. can you give me tips on how to apply eyeliner while the car is moving?

Ten Q.
Joe always Nos.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: schmack
Actually, I was fairly surprised to find out how capable the new Liberty is. Most reviews are saying that nothing it's class compares to it's off road capabilities.

Do ya remember all the initial griping over the styling and design of the TJ? People about lost their minds over the suspension change and the fact that it had a "car-like" interior.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
Utah, you are right. The new Jeep Liberty is catering to the cute suv market. If I were to pick one cute suv out of all of them, the Jeep Liberty would be the one, because it appears to handle offroad the best.

However; everyone is forgetting the whole point. Jeep has marketed the Jeep Liberty as a mini/cute-suv because these SUVs sell very well. This is what 90% of the suv market wants. Most people are asking Jeep to keep releasing true/manly suvs. This might make them feel better about their manhood knowing there are no cute Jeeps out there; but it will run Jeep out of business.

To make you manly SUV owners feel better, I'm sure Jeep will release another Jeep model that will be marketed more like the Xterra (a rough and tumble suv). If this type of suv makes you feel more like a man, go with it.

Please no hurt me,
Joe "The practical SUV owner" Nos


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe Nos
I have been looking at the liberty for quite sometime. I have seen it in person at the LA autoshow. It looks great (even though it's kinda too cute; I like the Xterra for it's brawny looks).

Pros:V6, 4x4lo, great looks, and sub 25k price.

Cons:A little too cute (people might call you mr. pink). Reliability is a question. Requires mid-grade gas (Gas prices are outrageous).


Summary: Anyways, my first choice was the Ford Escape, until I looked at all the features of the Liberty. The main reason Escape is now my second choice is there is no LO gear on it. If you are going to buy a 4x2 or a 4x4 noLO, buy a minivan!

As usual,
Joe always Nos.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
As long as the hooks don't interfere with off-road ability, what does it matter? If two things can co-exist, does it make the Jeep less tough? No, of course not. How about waiting until you drive it or hearing an off-road report before deeming it a sissy vehicle? The IFS is the only thing that's making you all say that. Or is it because you don't like change? As for Dale Earnhardt, he was a suck-ass redneck with a .35 I.Q. who was good at running other drivers off the damn track. Anyone who worships him is weak-minded, and anyone who would fight another person for making a disparraging remark about him, NEVER HAVING KNOWN HIM, is an equally white trash loser. Where I live, the average Joe couldn't name an inventor or engineer, but he could name a NASCAR driver or a "pro wrestler", by God. It's that whole mentality. It's a shame, because one of my friends started *crying* (jeez-louise!) when he heard Earnfardt died. I was trying not to grin, because he acted so dramatic about it I though he was smarter than that. But I bit my tongue and acted sympathetic. If Ol' Dale wants to get up from his dirt nap and whip my ass, more power to him!!hahahahah!
OK, Back to JEEPS!!:: I hate all cars, I love Jeeps, I'll buy a Liberty, and you keep your solid axles along with your closed minds!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Utah
In Oct 2000 I purchased my 2000 Cherokee Sport 5-speed with Up-Country Suspension. Within a few months I began hearing about a new replacement for the Cherokee. That lead me to this web-site and I have closely followed the Liberty vrs Cherokee debate since then. Nothing I have read up till now has made me regret my purchase. That has now changed.
I think I speak for all off-roaders when I say that nothing upsets me more than coming home from a hard day on the trails....and finding my groceries strewn over the back seat!!! Thank god D/C has imported that great innovation in mini-vans .... grocery bag hooks .... into the New Liberty!!! These are the types of features that serious off-roaders are clamoring for! Who says that the Liberty is aimed at Soccer Moms??? Yes all the other trail-bangers will look at me with envy when they see my groceries hanging proudly in the back of my brand new Liberty!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean
Screw you Jerry, if this is the type of sissy boy
that DC is catering too then the Liberty has
definitely hit the mark . I wish Dale Earnhardt
were here to kick you worthless @$$ right now
Jerry. Why don't you losers go buy Lexus RX
300's or a RAV 4's and leave our Jeeps alone!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
No one's saying that it will do as well off road as the Cherokee. But(how many times have I said this?), do you think that Chrysler is going to cater to the 5% "hardcore" segment???? NO, of course not. The Liberty is still NEARLY as good as the Cherokee, but with better build quality, more comfort, and legroom, etc. It still looks like a Jeep(but evolved), whether you think so , or not. That's what was intended. Get this thorough your heads: 1.Vehicles must change. and 2.The car companies must sell to the people who will buy them
and 3. Changes can be made with very little compromise in performance , but great strides in passenger comfort, safety, efficiency, and better use of space . How hard is this to understand? Keep your Cherokees, or buy something else. The Wrangler is still pretty much the king of the hill right from the factory. I guess many of you will be screaming "sellout" once again when Chrysler introduces the next biggest thing from Jeep. As long as Jeep never forgets their basic role and purpose, then I'm not really worried. Point being: you can't please everyone. But you guys are starting to sound like the people who are still disappointed that Dale Earnhardt and Elvis are dead. No one gives a rat's ass. There's nothing you can do to impede progress, so stop wasting your breath.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: SCOOP
here is my comment. the kia i mean liberty is a very nice soccer mom suv(SUV)and will do well in its intended market.posers(POSERS)IT IS NOT INTENDED FOR THE HARD CORE OFF ROADERS.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jerry C.
It will probably be replaced by a more advanced version with kinetic suspension and powered by hydrogen. It'll have an extremely strong spaceframe, color-injected plastic hang-on body panels. If it stays with fossil-fuel-power, it'll be a direct-injection diesel, you can bet on that. And it'll kick the Liberty's tail-- on road and off-road. You know that this will probably happen in 5 to 7 years, 10 at most. And please promise me that you guys won't still be on here talking about the glory of your 17 m.p.g. 4.0 I-6s, crappy interiors, and heavy metal bodies.Don't forget the narrow seats electrical problems, and small mirrors. The Cherokee is still a good-looking vehicle, though. That will always be true, just like the first Willys-Overland and the CJs. I await your volley of curses and insults. Give my infidel hide 40 or more lashes. I can take it. In fact,the worst punishment you could give is to strap me in a Pontiac Aztec with an un-removable(is that a word?) seatbelt and make me drive it for the rest of my days. Ha! Ha!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Griff
I can barely control my enthusiasm. Yeah right 10000 lbs. What is this a F-350? Way to get over confident with that fancy IFS and V-6. I'll be amazed if it does as well as the XJ after 18 years.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Rob
Here's the web address to MotorWeek's review of the Liberty.

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2034.shtml

Rob

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Dave
Hey Craig,

If you believe that the Liberty can tow 10,000 pounds, I've got a few used cars to sell you. The real towing capacity is 2000 lbs for the base model - 5,000 when equipped with the V6, automatic transmission, and trailer tow package. The figures posted in the comparison are an obvious error (which apparently fooled you and the people running this site).

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Sean
Just one question... will you really be able to get a 5-speed tranny? The Cherokee "build your own" on Jeepunpaved let you build your own with a 5-speed yet they were not available most of the model year, and only a few were made in the sport model. If the 5-speed is not available DC might as well throw in the towel... VERY BAD MARKETING MOVE. Some people still do want a manual!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Long live the Cherokee
There is an awesome show on the History
Channel right now about the history of Jeeps!
Should be on again this weekend!
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