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WranglerIntroducing the 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
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The Rubicon name isn't just for a Class 10 off-road trail anymore -- it's also what the Jeep(R) brand is calling their ultimate off-road rig. Jeep wners travel from around the world to test their four-wheeling skills on the Rubicon Trail in Northern California, considered one of the most demanding 22 miles of off-highway driving in America. Jeep engineers have designed the most capable Wrangler model ever -- and true Jeep owners will realize exactly what that means.

The 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is engineered to take on the most demanding trails, even those previously reserved for only highly modified vehicles. "The 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon features an off-road performance package, as only Jeep can engineer, allowing serious off-road enthusiasts the opportunity to drive over some of the most extreme trails in the country, and then drive it home," said Craig Love, Vice President - Activity Vehicle Product Team, DaimlerChrysler Corporation.

While its beefy off-road tires and diamond plate sill protectors hint at the tremendous capability of the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, it's the underpinnings that make it worthy of wearing the Rubicon name. On sale in summer 2002, the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon model features Tru-Lok(TM) locking front and rear differentials, front and rear Dana model 44 axles and the Rock-Trac(TM) 4:1 low range transfer case in response to the most demanding off-road enthusiasts.

Jeep Engineered Off-Road Package

The new Jeep Wrangler Rubicon has locking differentials that can be driver actuated when the transfer case is in low range and the vehicle speed is less than 10 miles per hour. A dash-mounted rocker switch allows the driver to lock the rear axle and toggle the front axle locker on and off for improved maneuvering. A pneumatic pump runs at just five pounds per square inch for a more reliable and quieter system than is available in the aftermarket. This mechanically locks the axle shafts together to drive all four wheels at the same speed. When not locked, the rear axle has a torque-sensing limited slip feature to provide better traction and handling on-road. Dana model 44 axles with 4.10:1 ratios for both front and rear provide the durability and strength needed for extreme off-road driving.

"This combination of what would typically be aftermarket hardware provides tremendous off-road capability to give our enthusiast owners a rig that is ready for their favorite trails right out of the box," continued Love. A transfer case with 4:1 low range slows vehicle speed down to give the driver more control and increases the amount of torque available at the wheels. This fixed-output NVG241OR transfer case was engineered specifically for the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon to meet the demanding durability requirements of an intense off-road vehicle. Also for that reason, this package includes heavy-duty drive shafts with 1330 universal joints.

Goodyear Wrangler "Maximum Traction/Reinforced" 31-inch tall tires feature a beefy tread pattern that wraps around the sidewall to help grab ledges along the trail. This state-of-the-art off-road tire includes a three-ply sidewall and advanced silica compound for excellent durability and puncture resistance. The new pattern provides increased tread stiffness and uniform tread wear. Adding a half-inch of ground clearance over the 30-inch tires, these LT245/75R16 tires are mounted on new 16-inch, five-spoke aluminum wheels designed with a dished face to protect the wheel from off-road obstacles.

Standard on Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, four-wheel disc brakes are self-cleaning off road and provide better brake feel on road, with decreased stopping distance and reduced brake fade.

Jeep Proven System

The 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon has passed extensive durability and capability testing created just for this model. Jeep engineers added features to current test regimens, as well as new tests, to ensure the durability of this model in severe off-road conditions.

The "K4" durability cycle is a mixture of on- and off-road driving focused on evaluating body and suspension components. New sections of track were built for Wrangler Rubicon's version of this test requiring a 4:1 low range transfer case and axle lockers. Engineers have even recreated a section of the "Little Sluice" from the famed Rubicon Trail for testing. Development and validation trips were taken over some of the most challenging trails across the country. In addition to overall vehicle testing, vigorous bench testing was conducted on key components such as the axles and transfer case.

Unique Exterior Appearance

The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon features unique exterior design cues and will be available in Inca Gold as well as the other nine Wrangler exterior colors. A 22-inch long "Rubicon" graphic is prominently placed on each side of the hood. Heavy gauge diamond plate sill guards are bolted to the body sides to protect rocker panels from damage in off-road driving.

Rugged Powertrain Choices

The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon features as standard the 4.0-liter PowerTech(TM) I-6 engine mated to a five-speed manual transmission. Also available with an automatic transmission, the 4.0-liter engine is rated at 190 horsepower at 4,600 rpm and 235 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,200 rpm.

New Interior Features Complement Rugged Rubicon Exterior

Wrangler Rubicon gets several interior refinements, while still preserving the true essence of the Jeep brand icon.

New features include:

* Dark Slate Gray or Khaki interior

* Optional interior electrochromatic rear view mirror with

temperature/compass display and map lights

* Four-spoke steering wheel

* Additional power outlet on dash

* New front seat offers additional 20 millimeters of rearward travel

and taller seat back for more comfort

* Lever on side of front passenger seat for easier access to rear

* Rear seat easier to tumble forward and remove

* Rear seats now equipped with the LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers

for Children) system for mounting new generation of aftermarket

infant child seats

* Corner pods located just behind the b-pillar on both sides of

vehicle house interior lamps providing theater lighting and

optional speakers, replacing the sound bar

* Sport bar padding with energy absorbing foam

 

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: 04 Rubicon
I have a 2000 Sport w/ dana 44 rear and a 2004 rubicon. I plan on buying another when these are beyond repair if that ever happens to a jeep, with all of the after market items out there.

My wife and I took three weeks and went wheeling this summer. We took the rubicon from deep South Texas all the way to Moab. We spent some time in Red River NM, About a week in the mountains of CO. The rest of the time we ran trails around Moab. We did some difficult trails(Pritchett canyon, Poison spider, kane creek canyon - after a rain, fins and things, etc.) We were able to have a blast we even enjoyed it when I had to winch up at pritchett canyon. I got to see alot of the country I wasn't able to with my 2000 TJ a few years ago. The times I locked up the front and back diffs the fun started. Of the 4200 miles I drove I put 1100 miles on in Low range. At times I averaged 19 MPG, I was impressed. Thanks D/C.

NOTE: I did bust a u-joint and outer stub shaft but it was my fault. The guys at Moab Offroad were great and helped me out.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Dillo
Just bought a box stock Rubicon, took four out to dinner and on the way went up a 200' 40 degree abandoned limestone cob and rough 20" outcrop trail along a highway cut. My stock '87 Cherokee used to do this with great difficulty and tire spinning 2 years ago before erosion and 4x use/road rutting this trail currently shows. The Rubicon in lock went quietly up this same hill with no loss of traction or difficulty. Like pulling into the mall...
Putting the Rubicon in the shop with less than 500 miles on it for a modest 2-1/2 inch lift (all the DC warranty will allow) tires, bumpers, winch.
Would like to buy another one and keep it stock.
They're wonderful stock!! -Dillo in Austin

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Xterra SC...maybe......
I am eating my heart out, not over any crappy
Jeep model though....... I think the Compass
is a disgrace, but I did really like the Dodge
M80....... I could go for one of those (In quad
cab form) over an Xterra, but there is
something else that has totally changed my
thinking, if i decide to make my CJ7 my
primary winter 4x4 vehicle after my Cherokee
lease is up, then i could definitely see myself
driving a new Dodge Razor in a year or
so......... 0-60 in 7 seconds, top speed
140mph, 6speed manual, rear wheel drive,
Under 20k........ and looks like a mini Viper!!!
WOW!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Utah
I don't agree that Jeep has a model for everyone. Now, if they still produced the Cherokee then that would be different. But right now as it stands, there is nothing in the current line-up that I would purchase to replace my Cherokee sport. I certainly would not replace it with a Liberty, for reasons much to numerous to list.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Go Jeep

The great thing about Jeep vehicles is that they
have always had a model for everyone, and each
model has always been the BEST in it's class when
it comes to off-road ability! Next Jeep needs to
release a Rubicon Grand Cherokee and a Rubicon
Liberty.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Liberty_Lover
I don't get it????

How can D/C make a vehicle without hooks for my plastic shopping bags....and then have the nerve to still call it a Jeep!!!!

What is the world coming to. It's moves like this that will drive loyal Liberty lovers away from the Jeep brand!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe that owns a jeep
It is nice to see that DC.can take the last true jeep & make it even better.

Eat Your hart out Xterra this jeep can & will handle any 10 rated trails.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Chris (Team Willys)
Ok, after reading some of your reactions, YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!!!! I'VE SEEN ONE!!! IT'S A @#$%&*! WRANGLER SPORT WITH A 5 SPEED MANUAL AND JAPANESE AIR LOCKERS!!! I am not sure on the tires, I think DC just threw some nice ones on for the weekend of SNO*BLIND!!! But, IT HAS NO LIFT!!! DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT DC WOULD MAKE A VEHICLE THAT IS ALREADY THE MOST ROLL PRONE DESIGN OUT THERE AN EVEN BIGGER INSURANCE NIGHTMARE???!!! DAIMLER HAS S
EWED UP CHRYSLER ENOUGH, BUT EVEN THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO THAT!!! no guys and girls, it looks just like a TJ sport. I also might add that I talked to a guy who actually builds them for DC and he said that these Japanese air lockers are "bulletproof. DC has been trying to destroy them as hard as possible, but it's the TJ that breaks before the locker does." These are a good buy with a system that is more reliable than ARB's. I LOVE LIVING IN THE MOTOR CITY WHERE ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND THEIR PARENTS DESIGN/BUILD YOUR VEHICLE!!! **AGAIN, MY VIEWS DO NOT NESESSARILY REPRESENT THOSE OF THE MUD CHUGGERS, THE GLFWDA, THE UFWDA, OR THE MEMBERS OF ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS**

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: mrjeep
here is my comment

Yeah, I have to agree with TJ, never buy the first of anything, especially with those lockers that Jeep has spec'd, I wanta to see how those hold up after a year. All in all it's going to be an excellent Jeep, other than the gas mileage which that could be easily corrected with the 4 spd auto. And to the commentor who said that companies have to meet a mininum gas mileage spec, well that maybe somewhat true-but that is "an average" of all the SUV's that they make. And believe me if you think the new Rubicon is going to get 18-20, your in dreamland express, look at the wranglers now on the lot with a 6 and auto their at 15 town and 17 highway with 3.54 gears. The Jeep Rubicon is for the serious off-roader plain and simple....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: TJ
Ooops, I forgot my other concern....

Re-Gearing?

Its got 4.10's now....If I need 5.16's or whatever
later....will there be any options?

Hate to pay for unique lockers...and have no
upgrade path's left.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Don
At first I was blown away, I called my local dealer and said I must be the FIRST on the list to get one. I am thrilled, then I went back and read the article again and I felt like I had been stabbed in the back, why, its the same Jeep engine that has been around since the 50's. Yea its a good engine, but far from being today's technology and with 4:10 gears expect 8-12 mpg if that good. Frankly I am dissapointed, won't stop me from buying one but, DANG IT JEEP put an engine in it!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
Were all familiar with AEV conversions.
An awesome outfit with great vehicles.Exactly
what Jeep should be making. Unfortunately,
Gumbo, not all of us have the $36k minimum
for a decent stretched AEV!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Gumbo
First, a longer Wrangler is manufactured in the states...I believe in St. Louis. It is by AEV and features three different wheel base models. It arrives with drivetrain, frame, body, and stock interior if kept. These are totally custom...axles, wheels, seats, etc. They start at about $27,000 and max at about $50k. A know that a four door Wrangler is built in Kentucky or there abouts also. Again it is custom, but doesn't have a Jeep warranty like the AEV does.

I think that the new Rubicon is great, but the D44 front is really a D44 tubes, inner axles, and pig. The outers and joints are all D30 components. For those of you that don't know...these are weaker for heavy off-road use if lifted with bigger tires...35's and above. This is still the best out of the box 4x4 for the money! I think I might have to go order one!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe that owns a jeep
I think the new Rubicon Rocks!!! it seems for once D/C listened to true jeep enthusiasts & made a real jeep for offroading,
for those of You who want more room & more doors go buy 2001 Cherokee classic, You can get a used one for around $15,000.00 & get a 3" lift for around $ 305.00 put on a set of 31" tires & off to the trials You go.
Some of you said You would like to see a V6 & 4 speed auto.
Well that trans. will not fit the short wheel base, the five speed is the only way to go,
& You would have to be nuts to give up the in line six four the V6 if anything put in a V8.

And I like others on this site are sick of hearing Xterra dumb ass remarks.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: 98TJ maxed out
A few of you are smokin some serious crack. Yea, speculate about every option or design goal and criticize everything. There is a lot of information on the Rubicon available, it's not easy to find, and it's scattered, but there's some good sources. And I think your nuts if you want a V6 over the I6 for this model, and don't be surprised to see a 4sp auto option. I bet the Jeep research team is getting some good laughs from you people.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
damn, I can see my first message was a little late. anyhow, if all you 4wheeling web junkies haven't stored these sites in you fav folder, then check out the following links.

www.aev-conversions.com
www.tcvinc.com

I think the only way DC could make this Rubicon more appealing to 4wheelers (me) & family types (also me) is to stretch it out. longer wheelbase rigs have their advantages as well.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: anthony gunsworth
wouldnt it be nice if we didnt have to listen to xterras ass all the time?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Xterra M-80
Well you should because they rule!!! Also, A
rubicon Dakar would be great, but you won't
see anything like that anymore, the Wrangler
is on its last leg, and the future of Jeep,
despite any current denials from DC, is the
Independent suspension found on the Liberty,
Willies 2, CompASS, etc...... One thing I can't
figure out..... if the Willies is built on th same
platform as the Liberty, why would creed say
the Willies is not meant for hard core
offroading? Yet DC claims the Liberty is?
Hmmmmmmmm.......

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: twonabomber
Humvee is the military model. Hummer is the brand name of the consumer model. Xterra is the underpowered piece of Renaulssan (Renault + Nissan) crap.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Xterra
You all sound like a bunch of morons if You want more cargo space & Four doors buy an Xterra.
It is alot cheaper then a hummv,
And rich it is called a hummv, not a hummer a hummer is a slang word for a blow job,if You used the word {hummer}on a military base You could get you ass kicked.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: A Dodge M-80
Rich is posting on a Mac, I know this because
I post on a Mac and my text appears the same
way when it's posted........ n stuff.....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe that owns a jeep
I agree with Joshua, The new Wrangler Rubicon is a real jeep made for offroading,not to go to the store.
The people who wine & cry about the Wrangler not being more car like should buy a Liberty.
If you thing about it, that is why DC. made the Liberty in the first place, To make people who want a car not an true offroad SUV. happy.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joshua
I'm sorry, but all you that are crying about how the new Wrangler doesn't 'Fit your needs'...you're not who this rig has been built for. This isn't built as a grocery-getter for you soccer moms, who complain about how there's no place to 'hang your shopping bags'! This is an off-road rig, simply put! If you want to have a truck that handles well, is quiet, has plenty of space for whatever...buy the Liberty. Just don't go complaining to D/C about making the Wrangler more street friendly. To the enthusiasts out here like myself, the Wrangler is the only real trail rig still sold from the factory, and the Rubicon edition just enhances that all the more. I can't wait to trade my current Wrangler in for one that has Dana44 axles and lockers...and disk brakes all around!!! Thanks to D/C for finally coming out with this...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Offroadin' fool
I think what they are doing to the Wrangler is Great. But, when oh when are they going to put the 3.7 under the hood?????

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Chris (Team Willys)
Last weekend (2-15-17-02) I had the special privlidge to see a Rubicon in action during a DC preview appearance at the Sno*Blind Expedition, put on by the Mud Chuggers of Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Assoc., in West Branch, Michigan. The Rubicon preformed quite nicely and was able to easily get out of tight situations using its stock capabilities. I fear however, looking at general trends in recent Jeep history, that the Rubicon will be the last horrah for the Wrangler, due to the German pressure to change the face of Jeep, phasing out vehicles that are trail-worthy in stock form and turning to produce family cars. *MY VIEWS DO NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT THOSE OF THE MUD CHUGGERS, THE GLFWDA, THE UFWDA, OR ITS MEMBERS*

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: cjwilly
Hey Jeep, get rid of the Suzuki Sidekick interior, Put in a rubber floor mat and flat dash. Until then no TJ for me.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Highway Happy
This Rubicon Rocks! I seemed to know more about the Rubicon than my dealer. I asked about an automatic and drilled him on other details. He didn't know much. Yesterday he called me back and said that a four-speed automatic IS optional! Turns out he went over to the autoshow in detroit and talked with an engineer at the jeep exhibit! Only thing is its about 1/2" lower clearance. Fine by me, first thing I'm planning is a lift. And the bonus is its got a short shaft. No need to buy a slip=yoke eliminator kit to get rid of the vibrations. Sign me up!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: gary chapman
I just returned from the Detroit International Auto Show and am a Jeep only Dealer. Our Jeep dealership has built many Wranglers for customers and we participate in Jeep Jamborees ond other Jeep events. The Rubicon is awesome, only in my wildest dreams did I expect D/C to provide us with a vehicle with real capability without major(costly) work to prepare it for "extreme" Off roading. I saw it and it is the real thing.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Geepster
here is my comment
I hope it is on an affordable platform such as the X and not only loaded top of the line!

Otherwise sounds great,can't wait!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Curt
Sign me up. I want one

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: don light
here is my comment Time to let go of my
95 wrangler and buy the 03 this summer.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Scott
I really do think that the Rubicon is a very
capable vehicle, and I applaud Jeep
engineers for creating it. However, the beauty
of a showroom stock Wrangler that it is
inexpensive and simple. I fear that concept
will change with the addition of the Rubicon to
the Wrangler lineup. I also am a firm believer
in the statement that "Real Jeeps are built, not
bought".

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: TJ
I am a bit surprised actually that they'd go
through all of the crash testing and extra certs
for this new rig, unless they are committing to
the platform.

I was really worried that Jeep was going IFS.

The Unknown airlockers have me a bit
concerned....will they hold up?

With 31's on it....probably.....But how many
people who are willing to buy a lockered jeep
are not going to lift and re-tire?

With ARB's, Detroits, etc...at least we know we
can throw 35's on there.....

What if these max out at 33's?

I am less worried about the front 44's...front
axles get to be full floaters at least...buys
some extra bust resistance.

Can the rears run 35's though?

Will custom lift kits be required for the fronts
too? - Or did they standardize the mount
points to the prior D30's?

Its maddenedling close to being on my wish
list...But I have learned the hard way....never
buy a first year Jeep model....They always
need too much catch-up work to fix the bugs
DC missed.

On the other hand - I definetely want to
encourage DC to cater to die-hard rockiphiles,
if real off road prowness sells....they'll make it.

So we HAVE to buy.

:D

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: ScubaGear
all I can say is all you guys who want this truck sooooo bad, remember, if you can go buy it, so can john and jane suburbanite. and when you find them out on your favorite trail that used to be closed to all but the best modified rigs... YOU ASKED FOR IT!!!
(granted, they will have buried it or broken it. but they'll be there waiting for you to pull their butt's out)

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jiggity Jeep
First of all, most of you sissy's don't even take your Jeeps in the mud, so quit your whining about the Liberty platform.

Second of all, this section is to make comments about the story (Rubicon Wrangler), not about xterra's ass and some other guy using a mac!

I don't see many of these being sold, because the price tag will be 30k+. It's going to be an awesome, very capable off-road machine, but caters to the very few Wrangler diehards. I'm on my 5th TJ (it's one of the very few late 2001 models with the shale green paint), and this will most likely be my 6th. If they ever decide to put in the V8, that will be my 7th. Who cares about the low gas mileage...get a real job, so you can afford the gas!

You people cry and whine about "why don't they ever come out with anything cool?????" Now they come out with it, and you cry about that too. Well, this is big and this is cool, and I can't wait to get one. See you at the POCONOS!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xtraflyr
I own a 01 Cherokee sport,i bought this only because of my family.My next purchase will be a Wrangler of some sort,most likely a TJ. I guess as long as anything else they make doesn't include independent crappy suspension they should be ok!! If you need more room, than get a Cherokee. Don't even think about buying one of those groceries getters,Xterra, Lexus, Explorer You Guys know what I'm talking about.

Peace Out


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xtraflyr
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xtraflyr
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xtraflyr
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xtraflyr
here is my comment

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Waiting Too Long
I have to dissagree with Joe that owns a jeep, that the 4sp automatic will not fit. Jeep has already had a concept wrangler with a V8 and a 4sp automatic. Yea, the I6 probably precludes a 4sp automatic, but that is the beauty of a V6 option. With its shorter block, a larger case 4sp transmission coupled with the V6 should have no problem fitting. It's obviously smaller than the V8 with with a 4sp automatic, that has already been shown by jeep.

Besides the V6 has more horse power than the 4.0 liter I6, 11% more in fact. Yes, the I6 has more torque, but with the 4:1 transfer case option on the Rubicon, I don't think it will be hurting for torque in any off road situation. It would have plenty of torque for all us offroaders, and have better mileage and more power for its on road use. A lot of us have to drive our vehicles down the interstates and and up over those highway passes to get to our offroad playgrounds. I for one am tired of getting passed as my 6 banger jeep struggles to keep up with trafic going up the road to Ouray, with my foot to the floor, while pickups pulling campers wisk right on by.

I think we would be dreaming to think that jeep is ever going to put a V8 ever again in a wrangler. The government now reqiures minimum average gas mileage goals for the entire line of a manufactures vehicles. Chrysler is not going to jepardize the gas milage figures just to put out a jeep with killer horse power. Admit it, they really don't sell that many wranglers in the big scheme of things, to jeopardize their corporate gas mileage figures.

What can be wrong with a combination that is going to have more than enough torque off road with the 4:1 transfer case, more power for high speed on highway use and better fuel mielage.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Stephen P.
This is an exciting concept for production. It
only makes sense to fully engineer such a
vehicle. One criticism though; I would prefer
having the option of engaging the Locker
function at normal driving speeds for winter
application. I have modified my 1991
Wrangler Renegade with lockers. They work
very nicely for winter snow driving, once you
adapt their quircky reactions. I have Borla
complete Exhaust with Ceramic Jet Hot
Coating, Jacobs ignition, engine pre-lube
system. High output alternator and 420 Watt
Stereo system. Well done, Jeep. I will be
placing an order soon.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mike Assef
here is my comment

YES! YES! YES! YES! Opps. I think I messed myself.

This will be the best Jeep of all times.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
all right!!

I would be happy w/ the fixed yoke on the t-case & the disc brakes alone! but there are two things that have me worried...
(1) the lockers, Tochigi Fuji Sanjyo not ARB! and what about this limited slip feature?
(2) and is jeep going to screw it up w/ a $30+ price tag for a vehicle that IS trail worthy, but can only carry (4) passengers & a MINIMAL cargo.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
Thank you twonabomber..for setting the
hummer/humvee thing straight. I wouldn't want to
offend any of our military..so I'll avoid military bases for a while. Of course you pointed
out I was right..just as I'm right about a larger
4 door or extended TJ. The Dakar was a great idea.
The CJ6 was a great idea.
Like myself, alot of people like to go offroad,
and bring something larger than a flashlight
with them on a camping trip. I've seen lots
of shots of people offroading, and shock of
all shocks, they have families, and friends!
I'm sorry, I don't intend to buy a Liberty
to fill my needs.
I love my TJ, just as I loved my CJ and YJ
in the past. I love to use it as a daily
commuter also. I can't afford a second
vehicle. But I can't even get 2 toddlers in the back, never mind adults or gear!
PS I've never owned a MAC

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Xterra M80
Hey assmaster stop posting with my name!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: mrjeep
here is my comment

Yeah, I agree with Rich, you guys Josh are taking things out of content. I think the Rubicon is a great idea, but you know what is going to happen they are going to put the Rubicon on sale at dealerships and Jane Doe is going to look at it and say cute, then look at the sticker tag and 'possibly' mileage and then opt for something else-this isn't going to help Jeep sales. Yeah, there are off road guys like myself that say great to the Rubicon idea! But with the shitty economy, it might not be a hit right away, especially with the f'in gas suckin 3 spd automatic! With all the technology you can't tell me that the people at Jeep can't sneak a 4-spd auto in there! Like I said I like the Rubicon idea, but there are going to be people out there who are going to buy this Jeep as an all around vehicle-more than likely second hand not knowing anything about what it actually is. If Josh wants to see the Rubicon around for awhile then he should realize that the Rubicon will have to have features that make itself survive in the market-that's the facts. On another interesting point what does everybody think the sticker tag will be on this Jeep? A fully equipped Sahara is going for about 26-27K, so I venture to say it'll be about 30k-which isn't bad considering if you had to do it all yourself.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe that owns a Miata and calls it a Jeep
A.........I's postin from my pink pokadot iMac,
dats running in my 2wd compass. My
compass is so awe-som I got it nex ta my
vaasity, my vaasity aulso ghoes ova seventy
tree foot thaul bouldas on stock tias n stuff.....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
Joe and Josh are full of shit and not listening.
I didn't say make it street friendly, I said
add some doors and/or cargo space like those
other "grocery getters" the Hummer, Defender,
Jeep CJ6, 72 Toyota Landcruiser.
Sometimes tacking all those overpriced rear and
top mounting baskets gets expensive and looks a
bit silly.....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: KYJeepster
I agree that the Rubicon TJ is a step in the right direction, but I believe that Jeep in more in need of a soft topped Dakar styled vehicle that combines the funcionallity of four doors and by removing the top, backseats, and floor covering, the ability to operate as a light duty truck.

Oh yea, Jeep does have one of these, just it is manufactered China by Beijing Jeep Corp. and is not for export. Something seams wrong about that!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: twonabomber
last i heard, the new V6 won't make it into the Wrangler. the inline 6 stays in production until the Wrangler disappears. the way thingss are changing at DC, could be different by now...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: mrjeep
here is my comment

For once Jeep does something right-except for not offering it with the 4 spd automatic. I'll love to see the EPA ratings on the window sticker of the Wrangler Rubicon, the last time I looked this year with an automatic the wrangler with the 6 was rated at 15 city and 17 highway and that's with 3 something gears. Are we going to possibly see a wrangler rubicon that'll be rated at 10-12 city and maybe at the most 14-15 on the highway? Sorry to say but that isn't going to help sales-except for the trail guys. And no the 3.7 wouldn't make a mileage difference either, they gotta bite the bullet and fit the automatic 4 spd in the wrangler. Not to change the subject but has anyone read four wheeler and especially four wheel and off road review on the grand cherokee being 4x of the year. 4 wheel and Off Road pretty much ripped on the Liberty, and weren't impressed by the V-6. Four Wheeler gave the Grand the award, but then said the Liberty just missed being the 4x of the year-both magazine articles were interesting, but both very different articles-and read the 4 wheel and off Road one about the Liberty-interesting comments.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Waiting Too Long
here is my comment
I have been waiting for years now for this nearly fully equiped wrangler to finally come about. The 44s are great, and a 4:1 transfer case has long been needed, for a vehicle that is really primarily intended for off road use. Getting this as factory equipment with a warranty, noless, sure beats the costs of upgrading with aftermarket equipment. Now if they could only have those Dana 44s with high pinion reverse rotation differentials.

What happened to the rumored 3.7 liter V-6 and a decent automatic for the wrangler. Is it possible that this may be still in the offering on 2004 models. The shorter block of the V6 should allow more room for a 4 speed automatic. Still offering the old 3 speed non-overdrive automatic is not being current with the times and is certainly not up to the caliber of the rest of the vehicle.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Gary with an XJ
I agree with Rich. Either a Rubicon Dakar and/or stretched Rubicon Wrangler would be nice. Then I'd trade in my XJ with 200,000 miles. Otherwise I'll just keep driving it. I do have to complement DC for having the guts to come up with a real off-pavement vehicle (Rubicon TJ), even if I happen to want a longer version. I could also go for improved fuel mieage, and not via a wimpy 4 cylinder that has to run in the truck lane with loaded semis on long grades.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rich
I agree about the M80..nice truck. I'm very
excited about the Rubicon though i'm driving a 2000 Wrangler now and plan to do a small lift etc.
I'm tempted to hold off til summer...
Actually they should have made a Rubicon/Dakar
model. Now that would have been the ultimate.
basically a Rubicon with 4 doors thank you...
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