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Posted by mike on 2004/11/24 0:00:00 (1234) reads

Brake problems prompt lawsuit

KCTV5.com out of Kansas City is reporting that a new class action suit is being formed for owners of 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees. Here's the details:

If you own a Jeep Grand Cherokee, you may have some money coming to you.

Class action lawsuits were filed Monday in Jackson and Johnson counties alleging DaimlerChrysler hid information about defective front brakes on model years 1999 through 2004.

For more information, contact Lenexa lawyer Michael Hodges at 913-888-7100.

Here's the link to the KCTV5.com story.

TheKansasCityChannel.com indicates that the lawsuit it only open to residents of Kansas and Missouri only:

The lawsuits allege that after as little as 5,000 miles, the steering wheel and front wheels "shake" and that drivers encounter severe vibrations through the steering wheel, floor, seat and pedals when the brakes are applied.

DaimlerChrysler has never issued a recall for a problem with the front brakes.

The lawsuits seek to force the carmaker to reimburse Kansas and Missouri residents for all costs spent repairing the brakes.

Check out the entire article here.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Ty Parkin
I have bad rotors in my 02 with 14K miles. Jeep said I'm a bad driver. I say stand behind your products. As much as I love Jeeps, this maybe my last one.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Pissed OFF GC Owner
I want to quote another comment and then give my feedback on his lack of Intelligence.
"Reaction by: OnlyOneJeep - posted Wednesday, November 24, 2004 at 6:10:07 PM

As a certified parts professional I can say that literally 90% of all brake problems are caused by driver inexperience or lack of proper braking. I mean; come on now do you seriously expect a 4800lb vehicle to stop on a dime at 70mph....? I have 189K on my GC with original rotors and drums...same with my YJ at 130k. Some people just plain cannot drive properly..we at the pro level see it all day long.................... "
I don't expect my jeep to stop on a dime, but I do expect the brakes to work! Just because a vehicle is heavy doesn't mean the brakes wear out extra quick. Jeep knew the GC was heavy and should have put better rotors, pads and calipers to ensure that they were adiquit for the application. Under this theory "Its heavy, you can't expect them to last" imagine how often a semi truck with a full load has to replace their rotors! Jeep knew the GC was heavy thats probably why there isn't a 4cyl. option just as they don't offer a underrated engine for it they shouldn't put on brakes that would be more suited for a light truck or car. And about the PRO LEVEL where can I take a class on proper braking and I think I also need help on how to use my windshield wipers the CORRECT WAY!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Zach
my 01 grand cherokee has the same "shake" problem in the steering wheel. How can we make this go to other states or nationwide????

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Tony
I have had the same problem with my Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 4.7L V8. In fact, Jeep charged me the first time around 11,000 miles to redo the brakes and then at around 16000 I found the technical bulletin indicating that the brakes were recalled. So then they replaced them. Next at around 40000 I rebuilt the entire system. I have since added pads and am now ready to redo again at 72000. By comparison I have a 2000 Passat with 53000 and have never touched the brakes!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rw
here is my comment I bought an '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee in the fall of '03. Had to replace the o ring on the power steering pump at 20,000 miles, it shudders and shakes real bad now when you apply the brake. It has 25,000 miles on it now. Paint is peeling off in one spot on the hood.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Rick
Why should the GC be singled out. I've had that problem and fought with DC over my Voyager as well. And my Liberty is starting to do it. DC is notorious for inferior brake components.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jack Behlendorf
Damn - just this morning, I dropped off my '00 GC at a brake specialist for the vibration issue, then discovered this thread on my email. I was tired of the dealers tirade that there was nothing wrong with the brakes. I'm sure they were mouthing the corporate line, so as to minimize liability.

If there is a class action suit, it should be national. Where can I sign up?!?!?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: J klair
here is my comment

Make it a Federal Class Action - We need relief in MD as well! 3 sets of rotors in 38,000 miles and Jeep would not listen.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Dissappointed
My 2000 GC needed pads and the rotors turned at 35k and again at 80k due to a shake in the steering anytime the brakes were applied. I drive Dallas stop and go traffic everyday but I still consider this excessive brake wear. I also own a '96 extended cab Dodge pickup with 155k on the odometer, a heavier vehicle than the GC and the brakes have been good for 80k before needing replacement. Same driver, different vehicle, different results.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Jon, an idea..."Leave it in your garage;block the rear wheel..and apply emergency brake lever(the one between the driver's seat (yours) and the console.)

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
Someone explain the right way and the wrong way to use my brakes on my Grand Cherokee?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
I love my 2000 Grand Cherokee but those brakes..........??

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
Sales may be regional, because I have heard of plenty of dealerships that are selling the new model quite briskly (although with up to $8000 in incentives on the 2004 models, those are going even quicker).

Also, the new Grand Cherokee CAN be modified as proven by AEV. The suspension system that was used on the Grand Cherokee Mojave concept vehicle will go on sale early in 2005.

Today I attended the Motor Trend show here in AZ and they were plenty of people looking over the new Grand Cherokee. In fact there was a good interest in all of the Jeep products (including the two-year old Jeep Compass concept). I felt sorry for manufacturers like Isuzu that had nobody looking at their vehicles.




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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeepy
well from what I am hearing the 05 grand just isn't selling all that great.. Alot of people are saying it looks sorta like an explorer now... And with the electronic 4x4 instead of the old tried and true... I think people are actually buying the explorer, because now jeep has nothing that is really that different from the exploder, but the exploder has the third row seat that the 05 grand doesn't have... From sales people I have talked to.. That is what customers are looking for.... From what I seen on the 05 grand.. It looks like a nice Jeep.. But You can't lift it... You can't modify it!!! Wasn't that part of owning a jeep.. You could always lift or modify it if you wanted too..And just not too sure on the aluminum front diff(same as the liberty) holding up under any extreme condtions.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Fred Henke
I know of at least two service bulletins that my 2001 GC was repaired under. First TSB repair was new pads. Second TSB was new pads, discs and calipers. Moore Jeep in St. Louis MO area was very good in bringing the bulletins to my attention when I brought in my GC for brake complaints! I since have another set of pads installed by Moore.
I do not off road my Jeep. It is used in daily city driving. There is a definite problem with the brake design.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Gene Bosetti
here is my comment: I had a 2000 Grd Cherokee for 3 years and 35000 miles with no brake broblem. I now have 14000 on my 2004 Grd Cherokee and I am not experiencing a problem.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: rick
The 98 cherokee had the same problem. They finally issued a recall for ONLY certain states...snow belt. When I brought the car in for fix under warrenty they acted (?) dumb about the problem.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeeprt
A brake job at 35K miles is perfectly reasonable for a 5,000 lb SUV. It is all part of owning a truck with alot of heavy duty four wheel drive hardware. You cannot expect to go the same distance in a GC as you would in Civic with a manual trans. I am not saying that there is not a problem, but it is probably not as wide spread as some people make it sound. If you drive a GC hard and need brakes at 20K miles, that's your doing and is not a problem with the Jeep's design.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
The '02 Grand Cherokee in my family of Jeeps has already needed a front brake job at 35k. Not proven to be from this so-called brake problem, it could be the way the previous owner has driven it. Just something to think about, if the brake problem in the GC is caused soley from the way people drive, then why are there not class action suits against other SUV manufacturers? or is it being implied by these reactions that the average person who drives a Grand Cherokees doesnt know how to brake properly but the people who drive Explorers do?

...and about that Isuzu comment, why would people be looking at them when the only vehicle Isuzu is producing in the US for 2005 is the Ascender, which is just a GMC Envoy with an Isuzu badge on the grill? To believe they compared one of those disgusting Axioms to a Grand Cherokee in one of their TV adds! They got what was coming to them...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mark Snowdon
How do we make this a class action suit for the rest of the country?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jack
If you look at the technical service bulletins you will see (with your own eyes) that the brake ROTORS have always had a problem since the first GCs came off the line for the 1999 year.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Helpmebrake
And here I thought you just had to press the pedal!? If I had known I would have told grandma differently...who by the way, has had this problem twice on her GC. Must be the hardcore driving she does. Did I mention mine, and 7 other GC owners I work with have had this problem. We all must be idiots; please someone give us a braking lesson because it is CLEARLY not a design flaw.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Bill
I had a 2000 GC that had this brake problem, and now my 2002 has the same thing...with 25K miles on it! For those who try to blame this obvious problem on the drivers; I didn't know braking was an art that required any skill. I do know that making quality parts is.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mark Snowdon
There most certainly IS a problem with the brake design. My 2000 GC first experienced it at 8k miles and several times later. I've tried high performance rotors with no luck. I went back to Jeep this year with the problem once again and they admitted there was a design flaw. They used a brake "upgrade kit" which replaced my front rotors, pads & calipers. This seems to be working okay now but it came out of my pocket once again. When this problm first happened, I searched the internet and found that many many people had the same exact problem. Bottom line: There is a design flaw & Jeep should have recalled the brakes long ago.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: MJR
The brakes they are reffering to are used on 99-mid 02 models and a TSB was issued for those still under warranty to have replaced. TSB's are reviewed by the NHTSA and if they felt it was necessary to recall them they would have.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Diane Miller
here is my comment
My 2002 Jeep Wrangler Sport has less than 25,000
miles and have had the routers resurvaced once and replaced once.
The shakes were really bad whenever brakes were applied.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lou Senno
Experiencing all of the symptons described in the article on my 2004 Grand Cherokee, started to develop at 20,000 miles. This is my 4th Grand Cherokee and since the Germans took over there has been a clear decline in quality - everthing from the carpets and leather to the braking system. I thought German engineering would work the other way !

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OR Bruce
Our 2002 WJ developed the shudder early. I told our dealer at the 15,000 mile service, also that it was getting worse. They replaced the front rotors, calipers, and pads under warranty. Several friends had the same thing done. So far, at 26K, the replacement kit has been fine. We drive our GC pretty easy on the road. It feels a lot like driving an old Buick. It gets a lot of miles on gravel and dirt, occasional low-low crawls and mud, and it does real well.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Yeah, I do agree jeeprt..that '05 is.....dunno just scary....I guess when my '93 GC Lim finally conks out; I'll be looking for a nice '03/'04...but I don't see that happening soon....she barely has even a rust spot on 'er.....(bottom lip of rear hatch)..so at least around for 5yrs or so...haha

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeeprt
I agree that the problem is with the way some of these people drive. My 94 GC had 70K miles on it before I had them do a brake job (and they said I could wait longer,as there was still life left in them). Only put about 34K on my 99 GC, but no problems, and my 02 GC has 14K with no problem yet. It's mostly just a matter of commen sense.
Also, just have to say the 05 GC is a horror show. I'll be holding on to my 02 for a while...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
of the Ten '99-'04's in our group we have yet to see ONE afflicted with this phantom brake problem.......LOL.....mileage range from 75K to over 200K on these GC's...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Brake Mad
Your a pro LIAR !!! Every single GC 99-04 EVERY one
say the excat same thing They need to fix and if enough
of us start making noise they will be forced to address it
. Hey they made not me

Brake mad !

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
As a certified parts professional I can say that literally 90% of all brake problems are caused by driver inexperience or lack of proper braking. I mean; come on now do you seriously expect a 4800lb vehicle to stop on a dime at 70mph....? I have 189K on my GC with original rotors and drums...same with my YJ at 130k. Some people just plain cannot drive properly..we at the pro level see it all day long....................
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