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Posted by mike on 2004/12/8 0:00:00 (1243) reads

Who is faster? Watch the video and find out.

We got tipped off to this great video from the fine Autoblog.com site - it is a DaimlerChrysler produced video that pits a 2005 Grand Cherokee 5.7L Limited against a 2005 Audi TT Coupe AT6 and a 2004 BMW 325 xi in a series of speed trials.

The video also pits the Grand Cherokee and the Audi against an Acura in a braking test - it looks like the Grand Cherokee didn't do so well against the BMW in braking so the BMW was replaced with the Acura.

Regardless, the video is fun to watch and the soundtrack reminded us of a Jerry Bruckheimer produced movie. You get to see the Grand Cherokee beat out the Audi and BMW in 0-60, 20-65, and the quarter mile. Did we ruin the ending for you? Sorry.

Check out the video here.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Big Fig
here is my comment...

Jeep Grand cherokee is the best in both on and off roading. A lot of cars now are using all wheel drive for better handling,hole shots, and acceleration. Suburu with the sti, bmw's,etc. Jeep has been doing that for years. Grand cherokee's are what you call "SLEEPERS". You thik it's just a big suv, you try to race. YOU LOOSE.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Auditt
Did they forget to take the parking brake off on the audi
here are the real numbers

http://www.fast-autos.com/tt.html

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: fro
DCX is run by a bunch of Germans now anyway. These guys are rubbing it in the face of other german car makers that they now have the one and only jeep. That is what i take from this video. And on another note the Liberty is only a Liberty in America. Everywhere else they are sold they are Cherokee.

My two cents

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: hermant
So when you pit a jeep with the biggest V8 available against a BMW four door sedan with the smallest engine possible, the jeep wins eh? Wow, that is SO impressive. Try it against a Chevy Aveo next. See if it will beat that too! What the hell kind of comparison is this and who is impressed by it. Did the jeep get 29 mpg highway as configured like the BMW does? No! Does it have near perfect 50/50 front/rear weight distribution like the BMW does? No! Well, at least it has the highest safety rating in its class, right? No! Apples and oranges guys. What's all the excitement about?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Alaska Jeep Owners
First who ever said ATV's are not true off-road vehicles
is an idiot. ATV's will go places that “Jeep's” have only
wished they could go.

If you're that un-educated why bother posting because
you've already showed your lack of knowledge.
Furthermore insults towards ATV's killing hikers etc….is
duly noted as misdirected as the rest of your pathetic
post.

As for “JEEP” my family was AMC / JEEP dealers for
over 30 plus years. I recall the end of Jeep when the
last CJ-7's were built…..and AMC was on their way out.
Luckily I still have our 1979 CJ-7 with the 304 and J-10
Heavy duty / trans 3 speed. One of the better Jeeps
they made until the new Rubicon imo. I've looked
heavily into the Rubicon and they are going to honestly
have a larger following someday than the old
CJ's……they out of the box are as good as I've seen,
again in my opinion. I'm excited to see what they come
up with next, but fully admit I hope to see them keep the
solid axles….I am a fan of them. As for the new Jeeps, I
honestly have no interest in them and never will. But I
am not concerned about RIDE among other things IFS
does add. IMO IFS takes just as much away in what I
look for, but I am not the mass. Unfortunately Jeep has
to appeal to the masses and that will only mean that in
the future they are only going to become more civilized.
It's just a fact.

Weasel

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe
Here's the crucial problem. This is a quote from drudge report-related site earlier today. "At another Pentagon briefing on Wednesday, Army officials said the service was spending $4.1 billion in an accelerated effort to provide protective armor for Humvee jeeps, trucks and other U.S. military vehicles in Iraq. " Please note the use of the word "Jeep" after Hummer in this sentence. This shows the currently held notion of Jeep being synomous with off road. Once this unique strength is gone, Jeep is gone.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jon
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
My YJ IS Trail Rated 'cus I boughts the stickers and put one on...it only costed me $15. at my MOPAR dealer's...SO THERE!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
Neither is my YJ

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
But the Dodge Power Wagon is not trail rated.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
I'm sorry everyone. I take back all my comments about the WK being a POS. I just realized the WK is trail rated. If its not trail rated its not a Jeep 4x4!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
Dude... every single person who leaves a reaction on this site knows a Rubicon, SWB or LWB, can go more places a WK can. But any 4x4 or SUV of the year recognition measures more than just rock crawling ability. If the test was done by how you see it, the Dodge Power Wagon would have won anyway... It has 345hp, 33" tires, SFA, rear AND front lockers, electronic disconnecting sway bar for flex, hell of a lot stronger axles, and just a hell of a lot more ground clearance!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
The WK beat out the Rubicon as 4x4 of the year?! HA! Now you know something is wrong with that. However, I'm just waiting for one of you web wheelers to tell me the WK will go all the places a stock Rubicon can. That will be the joke of the century.

What I meant to say was the WK is a very capable vehicle. Capable of going to the mall, that is about it. And for all the people that criticize my spelling. I guess you never made a mistake in your life.

The only damn thing the WK can follow is the KJ to the mall.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
The 2005 Grand Cherokee was also neck and neck with the Land Rover LR3 that took Motor Trend's SUV of the year. The 2005 Grand Cherokee remains among the best.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: -
what the hell is "a very vechile" or even a "a very vehicle" if corrected?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
I am dumbshit that can't spell very well

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
I think I am going to go out and trade my 2000 Grand Cherokee for a 2005.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
This isn't the first Grand Cherokee advertised for speed. Don't any of you remember when the 5.9L ZJ Limited Edition was advertised as the fastest SUV on the planet?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUB ICONTRAIL.NET
For the folks who think that their Grand Cherokee should be "climbing over 48" bolders" ...

The Grand Cherokee's heritage dates back to the Willys Wagon which was not designed as an off-road vehicle. Instead it was designed as the world's first 4 Wheel Drive STATION WAGON. It was offered in either two wheel drive or four wheel drive. The latter had low-range gearing. The vehicle was considered revolutionary for its time because no other manufacturer made a 4 Wheel Drive wagon. The Willys Wagon in fact could seat up to seven people (with two rear jump seats that faced each other).



Keep in mind, Jeep must develop vehicles that don't flip over at highway speeds. The Liberty was actually lowered about one inch in for the 2003 model year to alleviate those concerns. Not one auto manufacturer is going to mass produce a vehicle with the equivalent suspension of a 12" lift.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: TomTom
Oh my god people. Just stop the acting like children.

In some other countries millions of people actually worry about how they will find food or if they will get killed today; not the capability of a new Jeep. We should be fortune we can actually afford brand new vehicles, have a computer, and eat 3 meals or more a day.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JJ
Dude....seriously now.....a solid 2.5" Skyjacker kit for TJ or XJ runs about $600. Most IFS kits are over 2 grand. General rule of thumb is add $1,500 due to IFS......and then you have to try and off road with it.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JJ
Yeah.....shock those TJ owners.....with your lower ground clearance, sketchy differentials, "Is it an Explorer??" comments, "fun" electronic shifter knob, and the fact that the lift is going to be well over $1000 thanks to good ol' IFS. What an improvement.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Some DINK is using my screen name...I wasn't on at 9AM on Thur. AM!!!Was in NYC...so who ever did it get a life....loser!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: comment
well said

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
When the powers that be a Jeep start comparos with cars....I mean how ridiculious! This is just what I've been saying....A JEEP is a Jeep is a JEEP!!!! Not a car..not a Vette, not a minivan..A JEEP!..And the people who are for this "New" Jeep..are just as crazy.......This proves that America really is the dumbest society....falling for this crap. And yes, the TJ IS a piece of plastic dogdoo..YJ is where it is at...No pansy-a** airbags...no coil springs..no bullsh**...just like Jeep usta be....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JJ
Easy there.

The realities of the car biz now are that you have to have economies of scale or you'll have to charge a huge premium.

What that means is that the brand has to sell so many vehicles to remain competitive across the board. Is this Hemi Grand any good off road? Who knows. As long as they keep giving me a wrangler that can go 'wheelin out of the box, and do so serious damage with a few mods, then I don't give a $hit if they crap out Tiffany cufflinks and stamp "Jeep" on them.

A lot of people cried when the TJ came out, said it was a plastic piece of dogdoo. "What the heck are these plastic things holding the hood" was a common cry. THen once everyone realized that the TJ was the best off roading Jeep yet, they shut up.

Will DCX go to a IFS and IRS setup? WHo know? But I do know that those two configurations can be made in a competant off road vehicle. See the H1 (military version more so) to see what I mean.

Technology changes people. Everyone cried that the TJ didn't have leaf springs. Then they say the awesome articulation available in the coils and they were sold.

So what I'm getting at is you need to pull the granny panties out of your a$$ and let things play out. If the next Wrangler sucks as much as everyone thinks it will, then I'll be at the dealer to get one of the last TJ's. I highly doubt that, though. Jeep will always want an awesome off roader to get people in and so they can use it's reputation to sell the Liberty's and GC's. As it is, those ain't bad off road anyhow.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Kevin
here is my comment:I rather have a Jeep

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: ski4jeepin
What’s so wrong with a Jeep spanking a couple of German speed merchants at their own game? So what if it’s one German company in a pissing match against their arch-rivals, they did it in a Red-White-and-Blue Blooded American Jeep that’s still as capable of going as far off-road as the majority of its owners are likely to go. Not everyone is going to want to drive the fire trails, old logging roads, or just plain goat paths of the back country, much less drive into someplace requiring winches or locking diffs. Some folks are quite happy with the occasional trail ride, but the reality is they need a daily driver that doesn’t loosen their kidneys. Jeep has accomplished something most auto manufacturers never will, on-road handling and comfort with off-road capability. Not an easy task, yet Jeep has done it before and will do it again. .So think about the average, what use have they for you, WK/KJ Hater?

By the way, my factory stock 2000 Grand Cherokee, which is my wife’s daily driver, quite easily handled Tin Cup Pass and drove us the rest of the 3000 mile trip from Missouri to Colorado and back. My back never hurt, I still have my kidneys where they belong, and a bunch of memories I wouldn’t have if we had been driving anything but a Jeep, any Jeep!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: LGK
Got to the AEV site:
http://www.aev-conversions.com/

and look at the first pick of the "NEW" Grand Cherokee and tell me the vehicle is not capable and modifiable.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Eddo
This place has gotten just like JU. Rusty currently make 2.5" Liberty lifts for 420 dollars. Can't see why he can't make one for the WK soon. Anything much more on an IFS you are going to have to drop the cradle. But a larger lift on a TJ you need a SYE, driveshaft, new control arms so that gets expensive too.

Its all about trade-offs, better on road ride usually equals less capability and vice versa. 95% of Jeep will never do more than a dirt road. Of the 5% that actually go wheeling only about 1% of those will need the advantage of a solid axle over IFS. Jeep can not make money by catering to 1% of the targeted buyers. Selling as many vehicles as possible it want makes money and allows you to stay competitive. If Jeep stuck with the WJ and XJ forever sales would continue to drop and then DCX would either sell or ax the Jeep brand. Face it folks, the majority of people want an onroad friendly SUV and Jeep needs do what the majority of people want in order to still sell vehicles.

However for those of you that want your solid axle go buy a Wrangler and I'm sure we are going to see some more variants besides the LWB Wrangler in the near future. Maybe a pickup and 4 door wrangler. And all those that have their panties in wad about the demise of the 4.0, the 2.8
D is around the corner.

Wow it just seems you can't please everyone now days.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon Hater
Jon,

You're a dick. Stop berating and telling people what they should do. You make me hate Jeep, and the ridiculous fans it has managed to attract. Next time I'll stick to the story without the comments.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WJ, KJ, CJ2a owner
Thank you YJ Jeeper and KJ & XJ owner. There seems to be a common misconception by some people here that the KJ is not off road worthy. This is just not true! No, its not a CJ2a, but it is far better than the mentioned Subaru, C R -V, RAV4, etc which are simply passenger cars with all wheel drive (most don't evan have a low range).

On the WK Laredo, I think the website may be wrong on the V8 Laredos, because the printed materials do show the QT-II available with V8. Either that or maybe it has become a late availabilty option? I'm hoping in the future they will offer QT-II or Select-Trac with V6 as well.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
First off, if Jeep were in the hands of people who think they should climb 48" boulders out of the factory, the company would have been dead a long time ago. Thats just idiotic to think thats what Jeep should be about, or to think that is what it was ever about.

Jeep was never about rock crawling. When they first started making vehicles for the public, they were geared at opening the outdoors to people who want to take their family or friends to places no other car company could take them. Jeep has always been about adventure and exploration, and they have NOT lost that, contrary to what many of you believe. You can see that in Jeep drivers at Jeep events; people getting together, doin some 'wheelin, and just having fun far from civilization.

Jeep has always been about blazing trails or creating new ones. It wasnt until a small group of people did some heavy duty mods to conquer boulders that you'd see some heavy duty crawlers, but at that point they are not even Jeeps anymore. Dont get me wrong, I love rock crawling and I love seeing the things that people do to Jeeps, I wish I could jack up my YJ... but thats where all of the fun is, building your own Jeep so that its yours, and not some off-the-shelf pre-packaged deal. I'd be hesitant about considering a Rubicon if it came any bigger.

The new Grand is not meant to be a crawler, but it an even better trail runner than its predecessors. Ive mentioned in reactions to previous articles about some of the video they were showing at Camp Jeep '04 of the WK doing some rock-crawling, just to show that it can. No, it wasnt climbing 48" boulders or doing 60 degree inclines, but it was straddling rocks with wheels in the air and clearing obstacles with no problem due to its awesome 4WD system. After seeing it in action, the WK is a great off-roader with considerable wheel articulation for its suspension. If you want to make a heavy duty crawler out of it, then go spend a grand or so on some suspension mods that you would have to do to anything else anyway or look into the Mojavi from AEV.

Personally, I would not spend that much money on a brand new vehicle just to crawl some rocks... its just a rediculous waste of money. Get a CJ or a YJ or a cheap TJ if you can find one and dump some of that money you saved into building it, then dump the rest of that money into repairing it after you roll it on the rocks. When the newer TJs age 10-15 years you can do the same, then eventually with the TK.

I think most people who do 'wheel their new Jeeps enjoy the fact that they can also drive their Jeep on the road. Its that flexibility that sells them now and that has sold them in the past. Jeep has always been about family and off-road fun and isn't losing its image, Im confident that Jeep will always be seen in the same light that it has been in the past.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: LGK
Here is where WK & KJ Hatter is mis-informed. Not all areas of the country are rock-crawling capable. I live in th midwest and we have lots of mud, dirt, streams and espesially trees. Jeeps (and other vehicles) do not fit well between trees 3' apart. I have taken my quad on long slow drives. Yes some people like the speed but I'm into the crawling like you. I want to see nature not destroy it. I would never take my $22k TJ into the woods for fear of damage. The quad however is made for dirt and scraps etc. Any vehicle that is rock-crawling capable is not street-worthy. You are all comprimised when you lift and place oversize tires on them. That is why a small specialized vehicle like the quad is my choice for off-roading. My KJ is a high-quality comfortable vehicle that I feel safe in in the snow and on the back-roads towing my quad.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK &KJ Hater
First of all, ATVs are not rock crawlers or real off-road vehicles. Second the IFS or IRS works great with an ATV because all you are doing is running down a trail at 30mph and end of running some poor hiker over or killing yourself. ATV are designed to be along the lines of prerunners. They are not for serious offroading. Why do you think there is still such a huge number of 2wd ATVs?

People say the KJ and WK are still off-road capable. They are NOT, unless your idea of an off-road adventure is wet grass or the gravel parking lot at the soccer field. Second look how low to the ground they are and the midget tires they come with. In all reality they are no more capable than a Subaru. Heck, the Subaru's even have more clearance.

The other days I saw a KJ parked next to a
-V and believe it or not the
-V had more clearance and it had what looked like the same size tires. I've seen RAV4 that come with larger tires and more clearance than a KJ or WK.

The KJ is nothing more than a glorified cute-ut. Except the cute-uts actually get better gas mileage, accelerate better, and have more clearance. The WK is just another oversized, overpriced, land yacht. The capability is NOT there, it has IFS, 3" of clearnce, and weights 5000lb! The WK is no more capable than a Ford Explorer and no one talks about how capable a Ford Explorer is.

Why do you think Jeep sales are declining. Because the public is starting to realize what crap they are trying to pass off on the public. Which apparently people on this site will not admit. Jeep is trying to pass off cute-uts and land yachts for off-road vehicles. Some of the new WKs don't even have low range! Why go to Jeep when you can get the same thing from Honda or Toyota with 10x the quality.

People bought Jeep because of their off-road capability and lived with the quirks. Now that DCX has officially killed 2 off-road vehicles and the 3rd is just a year or so from death, there is no real reason to get a Jeep. Jeep has gone from rock crawler to pebble crawler.

At one point in my life I said I would never buy anything but a Jeep. Not the case anymore. The only vehicle I would ever touch is the TJ, and barely that. DCX if you are listening. BRING BACK THE XJ AND WJ AND DONT TOUCH THE TJ!


PS. Yes black and white TV would be fine with me as long as Jeep would stop making cute-uts.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jason
According to the whiners on this site we should still be watching black and white tv's rockin out to our 8 tracks!!!! Accept change...if not keep your old jeep because it will out live all of us!!! The New jeep is a must to keep Jeep in business. The next wrangler will not be a
disappointment, HEMI v6...a 2.8 crd deisel...Sounds great to me!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jim
I like men

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hatter
Here is the demise of Jeep and everything we have loved. The end is near for Jeep. The commercial should show jeeps climbing over 48" bolders and not running a drag strip. How sad it is has become that Jeep markets their vechile for on road preformance. It is over folks. Just wait to the new wrangler has IFS and IRS. It will probably be modeled after the RAV4. Because according to Jeep, the only thing that makes it a Jeep is the 7 sloted grill.

2 down and 1 more to go DCX! Thank you!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JJ
That vehicle is not capable or modifiable.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
But the Hemi WK is not the fastest SUV on the planet anymore. The new Subaru Forster is faster and that is about as much SUV as the WK. Plus I'm sure the Porsche SUV would smoke the GC. So much for your leading edge Jeep. Sorry everyone but face it, DCX is out to kill Jeep. At least the Willys Wagon had a solid axle and was a real SUV.

Now if Jeep would spend money on real technology-- NOT heated seats, adjustable pedals, GPS Navigation, auto dimming mirrors, etc, then they could build a real vehicle that could climb 48" boulders, not flop on the highway and still ride nice.

Like I've said before 2 down 1 to go. That is the way DCX sees it. They are on their way to killing the America legend. All those that don't believe me. Just wait another 5 years when DCX is looking to sell or ax the Jeep brand. Jeep is DEAD folks, just face it and move on.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe
The 4 Wheel mags (primedia of course) obviously no longer put enough weight on off road capablity during their tests. The Rubicon is probably the most capable vehicle to roll off of a stock assembly plant in over a decade. That, in and of itself, should have been enough to beat out any "competitors." After all, this is a 4x4 magazine right? Concerned first and foremost with off road capability?? I understand why Car and Driver doesn't think that rock crawling is more important than the number of power gadgets and high tech, smooth ride gizmos the vehicle has, however, I fail to see why this 4 Wheel Drive magazine must do the same thing. It certainly is unfortunate that the magazine has to correlate itself so tightly with what the automotive market is doing with 4x4's.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
In addition, the Dodge Power Wagon costs only about $5k more than the Unlimited Rubi, about the same as a Hemi WK Limited with Quad-II.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: -
Maybe the WK, KJ Hater can't afford a new jeep. Sorry, Jeep dealers don't take food stamps

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
4-Wheel & Off-Road magazine has named the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee the winner of its coveted 4x4 of the Year competition. This is the 23rd year of this enthusiast magazine’s in-depth competition of new vehicles, and the tenth time that a Jeep vehicle has taken home the award.

“This award is unique because it pits all eligible four-wheel-drive vehicles against one another,” said Rick Péwé, editor of 4-Wheel & Off-Road. “We do not separate trucks from SUVs, or fullsize vehicles from compacts. We compare all eligible vehicles and name one winner which we feel is the best 4x4 for that model year.” A vehicle from nearly every category has won this award in the past 23 years.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee topped the field of nine competent competitors and ranked above most competitors in almost every category of this year’s in depth test, which ranges from the mountains to the deserts. The grueling 1,000-mile test allows the judges to evaluate the performance of each vehicle’s suspension, engine, transmission, and transfer case along with the style and creature comforts each vehicle provides. “The Jeep Grand Cherokee continues to build on its heritage in the off road marketplace. This is the 7th time the Jeep Grand Cherokee has won this award, proving it is the leader in off-road capability. The advanced four-wheel-drive traction control system left many competitors in the dust, and the refinement in ride quality and off-road capability pushed the Jeep Grand Cherokee into the winners circle,” said Péwé. Competitors in 4-Wheel & Off-Road’s 2005 4x4 of the Year were the Dodge Dakota, Nissan Frontier, Dodge Power Wagon, Toyota Tacoma, Land Rover LR3, Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited, Nissan Pathfinder, Jeep Liberty Diesel, and the Grand Cherokee.

To be eligible to compete, a vehicle must have improvements that will make it perform significantly different than the previous model year. Vehicles must also be available for sale before January 15 of the model year, have a production run of at least 2,500 units, and have a two-speed transfer case.

4-Wheel & Off-Road is published monthly by Primedia and is sold worldwide. The complete test results and vehicle evaluations for the 2005 4x4 of the Year competition will be in the February 2005 issue, on sale December 28, 2005. Information on the test will also be available on the 4-Wheel & Off-Road Web site, www.4wheeloffroad.com, following the February issue's on-sale date.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
The new WK is actually a very vechile.












Capable of going to the mall!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: comment
VERY WISE choice jon, you will be very happy.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
ThANks Dr. pHiL/tOmToM!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: 33" WK
Most lift kits are near that much anyway, thanks to any good ol' need-to-replace-the-whole-system-no-matter-what suspension anyway!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
To the person/thing using MY screen name...OK I get it.....Bashing me and WJ/KJ hater is moronic....Dude or he/she: whatever you are; WISH you had a penis....or A YJ for that matter....Jon don't forget the YJ bro...WE all KNOW that's the BESTEST Jeep eva!! And yes...we are ALL passionate about about our Jeeps...we should be- whether for praise or for bashing....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
If you guys had your way Jeep would still be building CJ's, XJ's and WJ's??
I am sure Jeep would be selling many more vehicles with that lineup. Ha! They would be broke!
Everytime Jeep comes out with something new, there is a certain group of people that think the world is coming to an end.
The few of you that bash Jeep on this site represent the minority of Jeep owners who don't even buy new Jeeps regardless of what they make.
And to Mr Hater, If you want a Nissan go buy one and stay off of this site.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
I guess some people like to be childish and pretend to post as me.

Anyways, I can see allot of the points people are coming up with. Except the WK is an oversized, overpriced, land yacht. There is no what around it. Yes it might have some advanced electronic torsion sensing locking differentials, but that is it!

Why is the WJ was better? First off the you can not get a WK Laredo model with low range, you need to spend 5 grand more to get a limited. Second it has less ground clearance, weight 500-700 lbs more, and has IFS. So tell me why it is better than the WJ?

Now look at this option. For the price it would take to upgrade to a limited WK with a low range 4wd system, you could have purchased a WJ Laredo with a v8 and have stock, more clearance, solid axles, and less weight. Now with the money you saved, put in ARB lockers for the front and rear while regearing to 4.10s, add a 2" lift, and 31" tires. Now you have a Jeep that cost less, has oodles more clearance, larger tires, weights less, flexes 10x better, and better gearing.

So tell me again why the new WK is just as good or better? Better for the soccer mom? Yes, but that is what Jeep has not been about. Jeep has gone to the oversized, overpriced, land yachts for the soccer moms with the introduction of the WK.

Jeep uses to be a simple, inexpensive vehicles for the families to enjoy the great outdoors. Also for the price of a WK Limited, there are a whole slue of vehicles that cost less, will probably be more reliable, hold resale value better, and just as capable. Perfect example is the Toyota 4 Runner. What is the incentive for a consumer to choose the WK over the 4 Runner? Absolutely none. The 4 Runner can be had for cheaper, will probable be more reliable, just as capable, and holds it value much better. If I was in the market for this type of SUV I would go with the Toyota in a heartbeat over the WK. Now if the WJ was still available it would be a different story.

Jeep has just shot themselves in the foot.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Fox
What fun! When does the Mike's TFJN reality show come out??

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: JJ
Yeah.....shock those TJ owners.....with your lower ground clearance, sketchy differentials, "Is it an Explorer??" comments, "fun" electronic shifter knob, and the fact that the lift is going to be well over $1000 thanks to good ol' IFS. What an improvement.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jason
the wk laredo is available with a 2 speed transfer case, just add a v8 and your there. The wk is so much o9f a improvement over the wj, just go drive one 30% quieter 100% smoother and for those than want to wheel one just buy the aev lift with 33" tires in January and you will shock tj owners!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: KJ XJ Audi owner
I guess none of you have seen the full video at your local Jeep dealer????
Most of the video shows Jeeps rock crawling with a brief clip of the 0-60 trials.
The only point they are trying to get across is that Jeep is not just about off road. What % of people actually go off raod? Jeeps are capable on road vehicles as well. I sold my Xj and bought an Audi A4 (2003). Nice car, but I was afraid to get a dent on it. I sold it and bought a KJ Renegade as my daily driver. Pass anything but a gas pump (after some mods). Has the comfy leather interior like my Audi, but I can go on the ATV trail behind my cottage.
Jeep, capable of taking me comfortably, to where I couldn't go with any car or cute ute.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WJ Owner
I kind of have to agree with what WK & KJ Hater has said. The WK is kind of a turd, I test drove one the other day. I like my WJ much better, it is ashamed they did away with it. I know Jeep has to make vehicles that will sell and Jeep is getting beat all the other "soccer mom" SUVs, so they kind of have to make one to themselves. I just wish they would have expanded their line up with the Commander to satisfy the needs of some people and kept the WJ. Maybe we will all get what we want with a 4 door Wrangler.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: SOUTH AFRICA
Jeep should build soft roaders to cater for all and "make money" but, please remain true to history. This is, produce at least one dedicated off-road model. Wrangler 4-door, Wrangler Bakkie (Pick-up)and conventional wrangler all with diesel and Rubicon option.

My family are Land Rover fanatics and I am alone, isolated fighting the Jeep is best battle but ai, ai, ai, rubicons are not offered in South Africa and fighting a Defender 110 with anything else is sweating HHHHHHHEEEEEELLLLLLP!!!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
I do think it is odd that that Jeep does not at least offer the Quadra-Trac II or the Quadra-Drive II with the V8-powered Laredo models.

In case you don't see it on the Jeep web site the Quadra-Drive II system is only available on Limited's with the 4x4 Popular Equipment Group.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Me too.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
I guess it's just my small penis.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: kj & xj owner
wk & kj hater....
Go to www.kjjeep.com you can see just what a liberty can do.. The liberty may not have outstanding ground clearence but... it does have control arms that are built to take a direct hit when off roading. That explains the weight.. It is capable off-road. I own a kj and an xj. The kj has surprised me at just how good it is off road. I live up in the midwest no rocks. but tons of tree stumps and mud.. I know the kj is strong.. I hit several tree stumps with the control arms and no damage. I have gone through swampish terrain and ton's of mud. What I thought I'm done now.. The kj went right through. ON the stock crapy good year sra's! It might have spun alot to get out. But put better tires on and that would have been fixed. One thing I can say of owning the kj and xj... The xj is not as tipsy to drive as the kj. They are both fun to drive. I would have to say that if I were in the market for a new jeep and were looking at a kj or grand.. I would have to go kj... The new grand with no four-low unless you move up to the limited just sucks.. Plus I like a manual 4x4 instead of electronic.. I like pulling it in and out of 4x4 not relying on some
electronic switch.
AS far as jeep building these new vehicles.. There has to be money made to keep building the wrangler.. You guy's really think they would make a wrangler that wasn't capable?? That is the icon for jeep.
There is a lot of whinning on this site.. But it does show how passionate we are of our jeeps... We actually care about the future of jeep. You don't see ford, chevy, hummer or land rover people complaining.. they just don't have the passion we have. My only hope is that Jeep some how mantains this nich if it is only one vehicle that is the most capable.. There is still rumors of a 4 door jeep wrangler going around.......

You all have a merry christmas and a happy new year.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Joe
Why should anyone need to look past the phrase "two down.....one left to go"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
YJ Jeeper's comments are pretty much right on point.

The bottom line is that Jeep must build vehicles that appeal to the general public. Some may not like the look of the new Grand Cherokee, or the Liberty, etc. Some may question about how off-road capable IFS is compared to SFA. All those opinions and doubts may be valid. Personally, I think that Jeep is doing it's best to try to balance the needs to have an off-road capable vehicle along with something that is comfortable on long road trips.

For those who want a completely stripped down vehicle... you will never be able to buy a new vehicle in the US without airbags, etc. Federal safety regulations prevent the sale of new models that lack certain safety features.

There are plenty of older vehicles available for restoration. The Wrangler is available without air conditioning, etc. Also, vehicles such as Crosslander (http://www.crossslander.com/) offers a stripped down vehicle based on an Eastern European military vehicle.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
The - V should be seen as the Honda C R - V

For some reason the site sees the letters C R as a line break.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lugwrench
Please, do not feed the trolls.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: LGK
I think the web master should stop idiots from making stupid comments about the demis of Jeep. I think this test and commercial was great! Not too many take the Grand off road. But the capability is there if you want. FYI: I am a TJ and KJ owner. My TJ is terrible as a daily driver but I suffer with it. It is a very capable vehicle off-road. But when I want to go where the TJ can not I take my Yamaha Bruin 350 quad with IFS! Jeep should start making small specialized off road vehicles like Yamaha, Honda, Polaris, Bombardier and John Deere. This is real open air off-roading!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Me too!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
Jon's right, I looked in mirror this morning and came to the conclusion I am an idiot.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
You guys are idiots.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
IFS and IRS capable? HA! Ever see a H1 flex. Probably not because they don't. Only reason they are worth anything is because of 37" tires, locking axles, and portals. Even a damn honda would be capable with 37" tires, lockers, and unimog axles. Jeep will never do this because of the cost. Plus a H1 will not fit down half of the trails.

You know as well as I do what makes a capable vehicle and Jeep is steering far away from it. How many IFS and IRS rock buggies do you see? We can only hope the Wrangler will still have solid axles. The Rubicon, which was a step in the right direction. But 30+k give me a break. And still it only has a POS chain driven t-case, wimpy front D44 that snap with 33s, and 31" tires stock. Hell a Kia Jeep (KJ) has 29" tires stock. Those are only 2" bigger.

Maybe Toyota will come out with a FJ40 concept to step right in when the Wrangler redesign turns out to be a flop. Then I can get Toyota quality and a real off road vehicle all in one.
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