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WranglerRubicon Unlimited Production Woes, Jeep Scout, Open Air Liberty
Posted by mike on 2004/12/15 0:00:00 (1468) reads

A bunch of Jeep news tidbits...

We had a reader send us some info about a potential slowdown in the assembly of Wrangler Unlimited Rubicons - here's what they had to say:

...they started [production] on 8 Nov, from what I am being told by {name deleted} they shipped about 50 then stopped cold. Unit's built are not being shipped and no new build dates are being assigned. He hinted that
there was a problem getting parts from suppliers but didn't go into details. He did state they would cover it up as they don't like to anounce production problems.

It appears that the production "issues" are limited to only Rubicon edition of the Wrangler Unlimited. Anyone else have any info on this?

Jeep Compass to be called "Scout"?

Another reader sent us this info he saw in the print edition of Automobile Magazine:

DaimlerChrysler has purchased rights to the venerable Scout name from International for use on a junior jeep comming as a 2007 model. The modern scout will be about the size of the wrangler but will be a bit cheaper and more of a soft roader.

Could this be the nameplate for the vehicle based on the Jeep Compass concept vehicle? We've also heard the name "Liberator" being tossed around as well.

Open Air Liberty

Yet another reader sent us info about a concept car being displayed at the Detoit Auto Show - while the article doesn't mention the Jeep Liberty, the photo is obviously a modified Liberty. Check it out here.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Hey Lance

I understand! I think I would have thought seriously about taking the day after receiving the Jeep off, except for being able to show it off at work!

That color looks great!

Jeff

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lance
Hey Jeff,

It was
Jeepin that posted the Rubicon Hold forum. Thought it was you. I was up late last night and still dizzy with the fact I finally have it.

It stopped raining in Phoenix today and the sun is bringing out the color in that Deep Beryl Green.

Gotta get out of work!

Lance


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lance
I finally got my jeep tonight! Mark, hang in there, I ordered mine Oct 6th and it just got to the dealer today.

It's AWESOME! Deep Beryl Green 6 speed manual. Check out the photo's I posted on the JeepUnlimted.com site under "Unlimited Rubicons on Hold" forum.

Is that right Jeff? There's a mention to it on an earlier thread.

Can't wait to see it in daylight AND on a dirt trail!

Lance

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CR Jeepin
Jeff,
My LWB Rubicon has a build date of today, and it had the dual top option. I was assigned a build date sometime between last Wednesday and Friday because I called on Tuesday and was in "D" status, and on Friday had the build date. I was told that they will ship everything that's done before they leave on the 23rd so there's nothing in the shop sitting around.

Mine has dual black tops and is Impact Orange. Will post pictures on the JeepsUnlimited dot com webpage.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Hey Lance! Great to hear you finally got your Jeep! What did you mean by "Is that right Jeff?"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mark
Glad to see people are getting thier LJ Rubi's! I ordered mine on 5 Oct, had a VIN in two weeks and STILL do not have a build date! Searches of dealer lot's using jeep.com turn up LJ Rubicon's with VIN numbers numerically higher then mine with same/simular options/colors. Makes me wonder what the hold up is on mine. I know for a fact others that ordered after me have recieved thier Rubicons!

Beginning to think there is a problem the dealership isn't telling me about, that or DC isn't telling them everything.

Mark

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lance
Latest update. "It's Alive!" My order went from D1 status to KZ. This implies that my order shipped Friday and is now on a railcar headed west. Sweet!

My dealer was able to print out a schedule showing me where it's at, Decatur Ill. yesterday, and that it should arrive in west Phoenix Dec 24t but won't leave the lot to arrive at dealer until 1/3/05.

You would think someone would want to get that order done before Dec 31st? We'll see.

Lance
Mesa, AZ

Also: I ordered the dark khaki hardtop and will purchase the matching soft top separate at the dealer. Price negotiated. So those of you with dual top orders I can not confirm any change from the hold status.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Thanks Lance. I am going by the dealer today to pick up some parts I ordered. I'll check on my order status then. I'm just glad it looks as though D-C is finally moving forward again....just in time to stop for the break! ;-)

Make sure you post some pics of yours when it gets in!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lance
Jeff,

I have a few Light Khaki shots I'll post on the other site. I did'nt see any place to post pics here either.

Lance

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Hey Lance! I saw that you posted some pics on the JeepsUnlimited forum. If you have any close ups of the Khaki Unlimited Rubicon, could you please post them? Thanks!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Thanks for the update
! I didn't get a chance to check on mine today, but plan to tomorrow. Please keep us updated on yours! Merry Christmas buddy!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Lance
I test drove a 6 speed Unlimited Rubicon Saturday in Tucson AZ. Sweet!!! Over dirt piles with ease and I could'nt even justify using the lockers. Of course I kicked them in, just for the feel.

Why didn't I buy it? I'm just like alot of you, I have one on order (Oct 6th) and am waiting for delivery details. Supposedly shipped Dec 17th. It's "Deep Beryl Green" and it looks sweet! The dealer I went to yesterday had the DBG in an automatic. The Unlimited's look "right" with the Rubicon package.

I'm getting the DBG with 6 speed and all options except the smokers group and 6 disc changer.

Here's more. I went by a dealer in Phoenix this am and they had a light khaki automatic (sold) and silver 6 speed. I followed that dealer up with one in Tempe and they had 3 automatics.

They are coming!

You can put a Xmas bow on it already!

Lance
Mesa, AZ

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jason
Production slow downs should not effect orders to much. Nov. slow sales caused all this. As far as supplier problems on the unlimited rubicon have not heard that same story, they have been stopped and will resume in Febuary.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mark
I ordered my rubicon Unlimited Nov 8 and it was finally built last week and shipped to a holding facility. It has been there for a week now and that was the final straw. I had no money down and told my dealer today I would not accept it when it came in. They will have a 31,250 dollar wrangler in their inventory now. I have three other Jeeps, been driving them forever etc.etc. It is killing me what has happened to this great brand. I am shopping for a suburban this afternoon I am done with DCX Jeep!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: x
There are two Jeeps scheduled to debut in the future. One of which is the Compass as a 2006.5 and the other as the Scout in 2007.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CR Jeepin
Great news! I checked today and was given a build date of Monday, 12/20. The guy on the DC line said that they were most likely going to get it on a rail car before the 23rd b/c they take a break from the 24th to the 3rd and don't leave anything that's built sitting around while they're on break.

Again, mine's a 6 speed, every option except the cd changer, smoker's group and block heater. Impact orange with dual tops.

Jefferson, I'd be careful with the Beryl green - check out a Liberty in Beryl green...it's the same color. Personally I thought it was a little weak for a rubicon unlimited! But to each his own, if ya like it go for it. Just make sure ya check it out first if it's at all possible - a Jeep is gonna be around a while!

Good luck to all that are waiting! As a reminder, it was about 2 weeks between receiving a VIN and getting my build date. Also, it was probably 3-5 days before being accepted and about 10 days on D status before getting a VIN.

I'm going to post more on the JeepsUnlimited .com forum since the format is a little neater. Look for a post "Unlimited Rubicons on Hold?".

Keep Jeepin!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jefferson
Im thinking of ordering a LWB Rubi but cannot decide what color to go with as i have not seen the new Beryl green. Im torn between the white and green......Does the green come with grey or black fender flares, the white comes with grey/top/fender flares. The dealer did not know and guess grey, if its grey im going white, if its black im going with green. Anyone here know.......

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CR Jeepin
Look forward to hearing any update you might have Jeff! Would really like to know when they start production again in January (after the holidays) for the "next batch" of Rubicon Unlimiteds..I think I've got a good shot at being in the next batch b/c it's in "D" status and was assigned a VIN number last week.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
The 'Hater' rants ahve got to stop. I thoguht this site was for adults. Everyone's entitled to his opinion, wrong or right, but at least learn decent writing skills and state them appropriately and with a little bit of tact. I think the disclaimer that states that this site reserves the right to disallow anyone they want to for any reason from the forum is intended for junk like that.

That being said, I also am waiting on a LWB Rubi that I ordered November 12th. It is still in BG status as of last Friday. I was told it was a dual top issue. The drive shaft makes a little sense to me too though. I jsut wish someone at DC would come forward and just be upfront and let dealers know what the holdup is. I have some contacts in DC. I'll post more as I get more.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jason
We have 2 black unlimited rubicons in stock!!!!
Currently they are on restriction for ordering which is normal for rubicons because they build them all at one time once a month.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
Sorry, I meant TK in my last post, not WK.

There was an open air Liberty at the 2004 SEMA show. Looked OK, but the roll cage that was used to protect back seat passengers had a very "garage fabricated" look. I am not sure if it is the same Jeep referred to by RUBICONTRAIL.NET. I just don't want to see Jeep "cluttered" with variations. Jeep has never had a large lineup, and I think that may have been beneficial to their image. Basic SUVs, each specific to its own class. Once Jeep starts blurring the lines between its products, it becomes difficult for consumers to distinguish the advantages of one vehicle over the other in respect to their own needs.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: YJ Jeeper
Theres been an '05 Rubi Unlimited at my local dealer for a while... no buyers for the 30k price tag.

I think the open-air libby is a good variation, but keep in mind... with the open air libby, will there be a business case for a four-door wrangler? DC might not see a need for a 4DR WK if they go ahead with an open air libby. There might be a trade off hidden in there...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: CR Jeepin
I ordered a Rubicon Unlimited on Nov 18th and it was assigned a VIN number about a week ago (around 12/10). However, it does not have a build status, and the gal at the DC Customer Service number today said it's "at the gate", which could be just an expression, or a slip indicating that it's sitting somewhere and isn't moving. She didn't know when it would get a build date, but I think mid January delivery is still realistic.

Compounding the problem is the 2-week union break over the holidays....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Ron
Ordered a Rubicon Unlimited on Oct.13 and was only told by dealer it's now on D status. Told will have by end of December. Mike's web site is giving me more info than dealer. From the look of things I expect mid January for delivery.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: ScramblerKen
Well, I’m one of those lucky ones that has a Rubicon Wrangler Unlimited on order. Mine has been waiting for a build date for over a month. Every time I asked the ‘happy’ person in Customer assistance at DC what the status of my Jeep is, I would not get any answer as to what the hold up is. The parts issue makes sense, although I have also heard DC is idling various plants because there are too many cars waiting to be sold and shipped. Since it is just the Unlimited Rubicons that are on hold, my guess is the heavy duty drive shaft is the part that is in short supply. Oh well, maybe by the time my new toy arrives; Jeep will have a good incentive program like the rebate and 0% financing combo.

Like many die-hard Jeepers, I’m disappointed in the directions DCX has been taking Jeep. The KJ and future Compass/Scout are a bit soft compared to what I have always considered what the Jeep name meant, but on the other hand, if Jeep expands in these areas and makes the best in class for these, and still maintains a portion of the line for ‘true’ off-road capable vehicles, should we complain? DCX/Jeep is in the business to make money. Ultimately, we will help direct the direction of Jeep by what we spend our money on.

I can accept Jeep expanding into other territories, as long as they don’t blemish the Jeep name. It took many years to make the name ‘Jeep’ stand for something. The KJ is not the vehicle I would buy, but it does fit the needs of many others. In comparing the KJ to its direct competition, I still think it is one of the best in its class. If my choice is between the Liberty and the Ford Escape, I definitely would pick the Liberty.

The KJ is not like the old classic XJ (Cherokee), but in fairness, it was not supposed to. The KJ did bring in some new customers to Jeep, but unfortunately, Jeep lost some too. I wish Jeep had built both the XJ and KJ at the same time as originally planned. The good news is it looks like Jeep is potentially giving us a suitable XJ replacement with the future 4 Door Wrangler. Maybe the ‘suits’ at DCX see the error of their ways.

Speaking of the Liberty, I think the open air concept is neat. Maybe this is a hint what the 4-door Wrangler might be like.

You’ll never please everyone, and the next few years, Jeep is probably going to please some and disappoint others. Either way, it will be interesting to watch and see where Jeep goes.





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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
lets all use this screen name.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
this idiot has to go.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
Here Jeep goes again! The can't even keep producing the only real Jeep because of problems with suppliers. Deserves Jeep right. Now Jeep is going to make a vehicle even less capable then the KJ and WK while watering down the name of the old International Scout which was a real vehicle. Mark my words, I give Jeep 5 more years max before they crash and burn. Sales are dropping, they are producing worst vehicles and they continue to come up with more junk ideas. If they would just let someone with some real common sense run Jeep they might stand a chance if they start changing now.

An open air Liberty? Cool idea, but it is still a KJ. Jeep how about you just bring back the XJ, ax the whole WK idea and then we can all be happy. Maybe even built an SUT version of the XJ.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
Hey Lance! I almost ordered the DBG, but decided on the Lt. Khaki at the last moment. I think the DBG is gonna look great! One question, did you order the Dual Top option? If you did, and your Rubi was in fact shipped on the 17th, then that's great news for all of us! I ordered the Khaki, with dual tops, 6-speed manual, and all other options. Mine was on hold (BG) status as of Friday a week ago. I am going to check today for an update.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeff
I'll update as I find out
! I think you may be right...you might get built with the next production run since you already have a VIN#. Have you checked this week to see if you are still in 'D' status?

By the way, I see that I chastised that 'Hater' guy for bad writng skills, and I fat-fingered a couple of words! Oh well. I'll post more soon! Good Jeepin'!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeepers
there are 3 rubicons 9 unlimiteds in des moines iowa www.budjeep.com
the real 4x4 store, one of the few jeep only stores left check out their website

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Chris
There is a Rubicon unlimited on the lot as we speak in Exton PA.

http://www.townmotors.net/inventory/details4.asp?no_header=&vehicle_id=5-7016&path_taken=browse&type_select=NEW

Town Motors
Exton PA

Look it up through a townmotors.net

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RubiUnlimitednow
I was checking carmax and there are 2 rubi unlimited on the lot in Atlanta with about 4K off sticker so around $26K. Unfortunately i was told to get the rebate i had to be a resident of georgia.... ;-( Now for any of you wanting just an unlimited their is a 04 being giving away at the carmax in LA for 19K....same applies about being a resident. No i dont work for carmax i live in texas and texas ran out carmax's selling new jeeps about 2 years ago so the only rubi unl. ive seen has a sticker over $30K and the dealer would not budge....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
bla, bla, bla, bla, bla,.......

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: XJ Lover
Yeah Jeep! Get some common sense and bring back the XJ!

Then you will really see sales slump and the company won't last even 5 more years! Now thats common sense!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
The open-air Liberty was developed by a ASC, Inc. not DaimlerChrysler.

I believe DaimlerChrysler will develop the Wrangler line further (possible four-door version, possible pickup) when the Wrangler is redesigned. If the next generation Wrangler does follow the design hints seen in the Gladiator concept, SFA will stay in use but safety features such as vehicle stability control and side airbags will be added.

I believe these vehicles will be geared as "best-in-production, beating all others" off-road vehicles.

I believe the Grand Cherokee, Commander, Liberty, and Scout will be geared as "best-in-class, beating all competition" off-road capable vehicles.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: skramblewishes
I ordered an Unlimited ( non Rubicon )the first week in Novemer and I did receive a build date and it is ( I am told ) awaiting a ship date so the hold up must be a Rubicon only part that is in short supply.

I think it is becoming clearer and clearer that DCX will expand the Jeep line both on the lower end ( the Scout ) and the upper end ( Commander / Grand Cherokee ) by going softer. Let's face it, you see a lot more Jeeps at the mall then out on the trails climbing rocks.

I hope that the next generation Wrangler will remain true to its roots as the go anywhere, do anything freedom vehicle. This should be their "halo" product which will stand what the Jeep marque stands for. I also hope they will spin off the platform with short and long wheelbases, a four door variant and a Scrambler / SUT version.


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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
What really bad is i hate the KJ but now the ZJ that was a fine jeep. Just bring in the parts and keep me rolling and the rest of u can kiss my bumper.......

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WK & KJ Hater
bla, bla, bla, bla, bla,.......
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