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Posted by mike on 2005/2/15 0:00:00 (665) reads

Notes about the Commander and low end Jeep

A couple of web sites have some tidbits about the forthcoming Jeep Commander and low-end Jeep.

First up, from Forbes.com:

Coming this fall is the Jeep Commander, with three rows of seats (finally). The Commander is a slightly stretched offshoot of the recently introduced Grand Cherokee. Sometime next year, probably by spring, comes a Neon small car replacement (renamed, too). Also due in 2006 from the same architecture is a small, less-expensive Jeep, and (we hear) a version of this vehicle for Dodge dealers. But it will be later in calendar 2006 before we know if those are winners.

Here's the link to the entire article.

The Toledo Blade is running an ariticle about the Dodge Nitro (based on the Liberty platform) - the end of the article mentions the future Jeeps:

The Toledo-born Jeep brand is in the midst of broadening its appeal, starting on the high end later this year with the seven-passenger Jeep Commander to be built in Detroit with the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

The Dodge Neon plant in Belvidere, Ill., is expected to start building two entry-level Jeep models next year, with a combined volume of about 75,000 units annually, Ms. Lindland said.

Both will be more car-like than existing Jeeps and aim to attract young buyers who have defected to brands like Toyota Scion, she said.

Here's the link.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Patrick
You are pathetic OnlyOneJeep. I asked you to toughen up (like a Jeep should be) and be respectful to others in the Jeep community. How is this Dr. Phil rhetoric? I think you are a whiny bitch who constantly repeats himself. I think you too cheap, lazy, or mechanical inept to build a great Jeep. You are responsing with vulgarity because true truth hurts. And I don't believe WJs came in pink on 2002 expect maybe on Barbie's TJ... you can afford that right? Just keep digging the hole web wheeler.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Patrick
Thanks "Only One Jeep" for predictable sophomoric response. You are truly the biggest anonymous badass on the world wide web.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
Jason,
Does that mean a new platform for the Rescue?
Size of an H3? Maybe a Gladiator?
Saw the Gladiator at the Chicago Auto show yesterday, looks fantastic! Jeep would sell lots.
Saw the H3 yesterday also, so so but Hummer will sell lots although they are going to be around $40 give or take a couple. Jeep needs a mid $20's to $30 "Rescue" bad!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Billie Bob Joe
OnlyOneJeep sounds kind of sexy.
I love it when you talk dirty.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Patrick
"It's a Jeep thing.. where owners are whiny little bitches". Not a day goes by where people on here are not continually complaining that Jeeps are becoming watered down. This maybe true, but what about the owners. As much as Jeep are to be tough, the same standard should be held to their owners. What happened to the brotherhood that existed between Jeep owners? All we see, included those outside of the Jeep community, is a bunch web wheelers who criticize everything about the company and fellow owners. Whether it's their choice of jeep, its design, its uses, or typing error.... who gives a f***. Why are you so interested to dictating to others what they should think, like, or drive? And why do you think your knowledge of marketing and/ or engineering are so far superior to that of DCX? Life would be pretty boring if everyone was homogenized. Jeep can't be everything to everyone; it never has, and it never will. What Jeep has done is made vehicles that stand out in their individual classes. No other midsize SUV has the offroad ability, agility, and power as the WK for its price. Sure it could look better and offer a SFA, but it is the best in its class. No other small SUV can tow 5000lbs, offer two 4wd options, and travel offroad like a KJ. Yes, it was sad to see the XJ go, but it was ~17 yrs old. It was time to progress. Its been gone for 4 yrs.... time to move on. And no other SUV is a true no frilles top offroader out of the box with a warranty like a TJ. You can keep quoting Jeep mantras all day long, but don't forget the true offroad Jeeps are built. Jeep will always built a trail ready vehicle, but it will now be built along side profitable vehicles that 99% of the rest of consumers want. Besides, in the end it's just a car.... so chill out.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
no really, I don't know how to spell!
oh yea, I am an idiot also.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: hahaha
"Its a Jeep thing, we have no sense of humer"

I, for one, definitely have no sense of humer.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
The bumper sticker should read, "It's A Jeep Thing, Were Never Satisfied"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: xjgary
What I find interesting is that even as gas prices rise, the auto companies keep building bigger, faster, thirstier vehicles. I live in Southern California and the Toyota Hybrid's don't even stay on the lot long enough to take a look at one, even though they get at least $3000 over sticker. They won't even take a deposit on one.
One of the reasons I liked the Gladiator so much is that it gets decent fuel mileage with a diesel, plus the fact that it sounds like it would be a hard-core 4wd vehicle, not a wimpmobile with AWD and soft cushy insides to get ripped, dirty and torn. My next vehicle is going to get better fuel mileage than my XJ! I paid $2.19 for my last fillup of unleaded. In Death Valley I heard it cost $3.25.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jason
The commander will be called the XK and is just 5 inches longer and 2 inches wider. The commander will be a replacement for the box cherokee but alot more $$$$$$. The rescue is in generation 3 development and look for it 2006-2007!!!!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
I still don't get it, other than the the 17 year old XJ being discontinued and replaced with the Liberty that some don't like but is still best in its class what has Jeep done or not done that some think the "good ol' days" of Jeep are over with??
For the last 15 years they have only had three basic models. The new Grand is far better than the 93 Grand. The new Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon is far better than a 93 Wrangler. The Liberty may not of been the replacement vehicle that some wanted for the Cherokee but I believe the only ones that really a care are a few select former XJ fans. There are still plenty of good used ones out there. I had a XJ and loved it but I am excited to see all the new products on the horizon. The Commander will fill a niche for Jeep. I don't know why some feel so threatened by an entry level Jeep when DC has committed to continue building the Wrangler. We are even going to finally get a four-door Wrangler and mayber a truck. How can all of this mean the end of Jeep??
To be honest, if Jeep was still making the Cherokee based on a 1984 platform and had no plans to update and change the Wrangler I would be very worried. The market has changed since the 1980's and the general auto consumer demands a lot more and expects a lot more than they did 15 years ago. I only see good things for Jeep in the next few years.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: SOUTH AFRICA
here is my comment I fully agree Jeep should flood the market with "sissy Jeeps" nobody deny the profit potential. All us original Jeep lovers ask is - give us one "work horse" platform with configirations like Wrangler swb, 4 door wrangler and a potent truck all with diesel, lockers, low range and manual tranny as option. Remember these were the jeeps that made jeep an icon their suporters should not be neglegted now - you might need these idiots later - life tought me. But hi, build what ever else the market want. Jeep is only a 4 letter word it can fit on any piece of plastic

If you like names mine is Jack Groenewald.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: bill
"Both will be more car-like than existing Jeeps and aim to attract young buyers who have defected to brands like Toyota Scion, she said."

Are they talking about young buyers that used to purchase Wranglers are now buying Scion's?



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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
Thanks Patrick! Well said.
I am guessing that most of those complaining all the time aren't even in the market for a new Jeep.
P.S. I like people that aren't afraid to use their name in their posting also.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Eddo
x2

Very well said Patrick!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
you guys are so sensitive.
"Its a Jeep thing, we have no sense of humer"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Mike
Reactions to Reactions...

I can understand Young Buyers flocking to Brands like Scion...It's a pretty good car, unique, (especially the Xb, has many standatd features that would be optional on other cars, and most impportantly, Affordable...

When I graduated college, the Jeep was M.S.R.P. arount $10,000, now the base price has nearly doubled to nearly $20,000 (before incentives and dealer discounts).

Toyota has a good thing going with it's Scion brand. While I don't agree that the new vehicles should be called 'Jeep', I agree that they need to be built for young buyers who's main priority for purchasing a car is price.

Mabye Jeep/Chrusler/Daimler should create a youth-oriented brand like Scion. The Eagle or Willys name could be used again, or the 'Scout' could be an entire youth-oriented division, not just the name of a single vehicle.

As far as the Commander, Jeep needs a big vehicle like this. We are looking at a Yukon/Tahoe sized vehicle and the Commander fits the bill.

As far as mileage is concerned, yeah, the Commander will not get great mileage, but I am sure the Hemi with M.D.S. can at least match the mileage of the Tahoe, if not beat it...Remember, the Hemi is slated for a hybrid system around 2007, which is co-developed with GM, this should improve mileage to a respectable number.

Don't get me wrong, I think ALL vehicles should at least have engine-stopping capability at the very minimum as well as some type of cylinder deactivation.

Large vehicles are a necessary evil of today's regulated society...Why should a large family pay $30,000 for a 10 passenger van, and pay another $15,000 to a conversion van builder to make the van half-way liveable, and another $20,000 to a conversion outfit like Quigley 4X4 if they want 4 Wheel Drive?

How is a family of 5 or more (mom, pop, bro, sis, and baby, don't forget Rover, Fluffy and the mother-in-law) going to fit in a Prius sized vehicle, especially if the children are all under 100 lbs, and they must use a booster seat system as mandated by law? 3 booster seats will not fit in the rear seat.

If your spouse divorces you, and you get every other weekend with your 3 kids, and your new spouse has his/her 3 kids every other weekend, where are you going to put six kids plus yourselves?

The point is, like it or not, large SUV's like the Commander, and small entry level vehicles must be built, and Jeep should not miss out on the market.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Again to "Patrick"...F*** you and your sissy Jeep!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
That darn 'ol '01 XJ was a bargain compared to the $45-$55K for that Commander.....Can't Jeep run a " $1 " store like everybody else?....When vehicles start selling for the median price of a small home in AZ....sumthin is wrong. Am I the ONLY cheap thrifty Yankee on here????

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
now-back on to Jeeps, huh?..enough Dr. Phil crap.....

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
"Patrick" drives a pink Jeep. F*** you too.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeep/Eagle
I disagree that Jeep has always made some sort of "soft-roader". The 2WD versions of trucks and suvs that Jeep has made in the past were just that of their 4WD counterparts. I wouldnt call a 2WD Dodge Ram a "soft-roader," and you shouldnt judge the capability of a Jeep, especially a Jeep, by the size of its tires... the SE is the little Jeep that could!

Besides, I recognize that Jeep is trying to broaden their product line. I was merely stating that it would probably be more effective under a nameplate that has offered AWD vehicles in the past with the advantage that you would not have a mixing of brand identity. In addition, DC would be able to grab a foothold on some of Suburu's territory without having to bring Jeep there.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
Would two-wheel drive versions of the Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Liberty, Comanche, Jeepster, J-10, Wagoneer all fall in the soft-roader category?
Let's face, Jeep has always made soft-roaders of some sort over the years. Even the base Wrangler with those tiny little tires and wheels is a little soft.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jeep/Eagle
I think if the Eagle brand was never ditched, they could introduce these entry level vehicles that are targeted towards young buyers under that nameplate. I think that would ease the troubles of many people. (The Eagle Scout sounds a little more fitting than Jeep Scout... if that happens to be the name they use.) In addition, all of these soft-roaders fit everything the Eagle brand ever stood for. The new GC, KJ, and the upcoming Commander are all necassary evolutions within the Jeep linup, but I dont think the soft-roaders uphold the Jeep nameplate heritage.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Carter
You said it Jack,

I don't care what Jeep does as long as it builds a four
door wrangler so I can finally replace my XJ. I'll be so
happy I'll even wave at all the liberties. I like soccer
moms anyway.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Brian
I think it might be time for a new sticker to show Jeep what we think of the change in philosophy: "It WAS a Jeep Thing!"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Ben91YJ
How about the wave?!?! Jeep owners have been watered down. I dont know about you guys, but I wave at every CJ/YJ/TJ i see, and i get waves about 1/2 the time. I dont even bother with WJ/ZJ/KJs because 95% of the time they are soccer moms. That said... I do agree that DCX has a buisness to run, and that the commander and a "sissy" jeep would be good $$makers for DCX. However, i also dont want to see IFS on the wrangler. Here's what my middle ground would be: Take the current wrangler segment of the market, and split it in two. Make one vehicle for the yuppies/kids who want a cool convertible, and make another vehicle for those of us who actually go off road. By building one vehicle to cater to the segment jeep has lost to scion and one as a true offroader, jeep will please both us and those who need to see profits

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: RUBICONTRAIL.NET
Well said, Patrick. Let's get back to when you could give a Jeep Wave to other Jeepers and not worry about their political affiliation, economic class, or whether their Jeep was "uglier" than yours.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: city dweller
well said patrick!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: city dweller
well said patrick!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Thanks Jon....at least the the ONLY ONE JEEP I am HAS a sense of (HUMOR)..or did you mean Hummer? It's not cus it's a JEEP thing; It's just because YOU don't understand. Don't be such a Jon, Dick...

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Itz a geep thinng I donut now howw twoo spel.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
Jon, to add to your phrase It's a Jeep Thing(add)---We're never satisfied "unless we can't see thru the windshield cus it's SO caked in MUD"!

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Blahblahblah
Jon,

Has it ever occured to you that you're dream machine might be a Honda
-V?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeep fan
Yet another gas guzzling land barge. Hey, Jeep, I don't need to ride around in my living room! How about giving us an efficient six speed manual with crd, just as you have provided the Europeans! What's it going to take to get you to give us a six speed
D in a Wrangler or even the Lib ... why is simplicity so rarely understood?

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: SOUTH AFRICA
here is my comment To - onlyonejeep.... well done my friend if you are in the US yes I agree you still have a choice Rubicon, Rubicon Unlimited.

Ja Nee I travelled the wildest of Africa for 20 years. I always believed - one day a real Jeep will be sold in SA (I saw the war movies). Instead year after year, out there where the going gets tough and the tough gets going Jeeps remain absent.(I am talking Africa I dont know USA).

New Liberties (Cherokee's here) are sold in all towns and cities (best seller in SA cause, and I quote the rich mans wifes - $45 000-00usd for the base 2.4 model in SA - "AG SHAME SOOOOO JEEPY, JEEPY LOOK THE EYES JUST LIKE A REAL FROGGIE AG MOEDER HOW PRETTY CAN THEY BUILD THEM? KISS KISS KISS YOU FUNNY LITTLE THINGY" The guarantee fine print support in printing - no Jeep will be covered by Guarantee should it leave the tar road.

No time to wait here where lions roar and Hyena howl my friend. (I will invite you to visit).

Its not that I go down without a fight its just that sometimes you dont go down because you are to clever to fight. (Slow on the word DUMB my friend...we all need to go very, very slow on uttering such words... life has its funny trickery).

I am tired being insulted by the icon I supported so loyal for so many years... look they are good street goers and that nobody can deny but, hi, I need to climb mountains, cross the Namib, swim rivers, winch equipment up 300 feet high masts carry 1200kg a time, pull trailers weighing up to 4000kg - this is how I earn my money my friend this is not Saterday afternoon time killing. Landy's do this, Cruisers do it, Nissans do it why not Jeep?

Cheers

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
to SOUTH AFRICA....yes..Real Jeepers are a dying breed( which I and some others here) are part of.....I won't go out without a fight on this board...."Dumb Sissys, Jeeps are for MEN"

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: SOUTH AFRICA
here is my comment
OK manne, I am of to buy a Land Rover Defender. All these sissy Jeeps? No Rubi in SA? No Wrangler Diesel? No Jeep Work horse? cheers I have construction work to do in the Wildernes.

I will check in in 5 years time again to see how the new owners of Jeep (KIA) is doing

It was nice knowing the real Jeep men out there. (a dying breed)Sorry boys

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WTJ
The Commander doesn't appear to be much larger than the
Chevrolet/GMC Tahoe/Yukon in exterior proportions. In fact, I
believe it is a more useful size than the Grand Cherokee.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Here is my comment
Why do people need more then a Grand Cherokee? I really don't think this is going to be a hit, look at what happened to the Excursion. Anyway I saw a pic of it with 1/2 of the cammo off and it looks ugly, certainly doen't come close to the Rescue concept, yet with this I doubt the Rescue will ever be built. Looks like another Dakar / Liberty situation unfortunately.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: OnlyOneJeep
give us back the 'ol XJ..with that sweet 4.0! Man- can't we just go back to 1985-1999????

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: jeepers
You know I am pretty sure I seen the new commander on I-75 heading south just the other day.. It had all the cammo on it to disguise it.. But at first it looked like the 05 grand.. then upon getting closer it looked bigger... I thought it was going to be more of a boxier look.. this looked close to the 05 thats out right now.

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: WTJ
The idea of Jeep cars does not appeal to me, and probably many
Jeep enthusiasts, at all. (Maybe, Jeep should really be daring and
build a car that gives the Porsche 911 a run for its money.)
These new “sissy” Jeeps appear to be the spiritual successors of
the original Jeepster, a vehicle that never really made much
sense. The decision to produce cloned Dodges is total brand
dilution, pure and simple. Hopefully, the Commander will give us
something to cheer about…

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Anonymous
Posted: 1969/12/31 19:00  Updated: 1969/12/31 19:00
 Originally posted by: Jon
Does anyone know the dimensions of the Commander as it compairs to the Grand Cherokee. I know it will be longer and taller but will it be the same width? It will be boxer which will make it appear bigger but how much??
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