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Posted by mike on 2005/10/27 13:56:05 (3290) reads

AutoWeek is reporting that GM is reportedly mulling over the idea of a "going-right-after-the-Wrangler" H4.

General Motors’ future product plan includes a back-to-basics, go-anywhere Hummer H4—a rough-and-tough competitor for the Jeep Wrangler. The fourth Hummer could be on sale by 2008 or 2009.

A GM source confirms the company is looking for ways of making a small Hummer on its various sport/utility vehicle and pickup platforms. GM engineers and designers are working on the project, but a chassis for the vehicle has yet to be selected.
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XJGuy
Posted: 2006/1/12 21:59  Updated: 2006/1/12 21:59
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I doubt that they will. GM is not doing that well i do not think they will risk the investment. but then again.

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matthewmparks21406
Posted: 2005/10/29 19:44  Updated: 2005/10/29 19:44
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That is not a picture of the H4. It is Autoweek's photoshop of what they think the H4 might look like. In fact they photoshoped a picture of the Jeep Jeepster concept from 1998.

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Posted: 2005/10/29 12:00  Updated: 2005/10/29 12:00
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I find it amusing that Hummer thinks their H4 concept would compete against the new Wrangler vehicles.

The two-door Wrangler appears to be a logical progression from the current generation. I predict however that the base model will be like the current generation's "Sport" trim level (as opposed to the current SE trim level). It appears that the vehicle will also remain an open-air off-road capable, trail running, rock crawling legend.

The four-door Wrangler (Rescue?) will fill the void that has existed for five years, after the passing of the Cherokee. It will offer a more utilitarian, heavy duty, off-road experience than the Liberty.

The Liberty is a great vehicle but has received some flak because it is not as simple and rugged as the Cherokee was.

Within the next two years the Liberty will be redesigned. I am taking a guess that it will be taken more upscale, along the lines of the Grand Cherokee and Commander. In the next two to three years the Grand Cherokee itself will receive a minor facelift.

The big question is whether this TK / TKL architecture will spawn a vehicle like the Gladiator concept. This would lead to quite a large Jeep lineup... one that Hummer would have a hard time competing with.

-- ENTRY LEVEL FOUR WHEEL DRIVE --
* Jeep Compass (MK49 ?)
* Jeep Patriot (MK74 ?)

-- WORLD-CLASS OFF-ROADERS --
* Jeep Wrangler (TK)
* Jeep "Rescue" (TKL)
* Jeep Gladiator (?)

-- LUXURY-INSPIRED OFF-ROADERS --
* Jeep Liberty (KJ/KK)
* Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK)
* Jeep Commander (XK)

Just to fuel OnlyOneJeep's hopes... note that there are three vehicles in both of the second categories but only two in the first. Perhaps there is room for a stripped-down (albeit it would have airbags by law) off-roader?

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Anonymous
Posted: 2005/10/29 17:27  Updated: 2005/10/29 17:27
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There we go again with those "pesky" airbags.....
OY...................

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RUBICON
Posted: 2005/10/29 18:03  Updated: 2005/10/29 18:03
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Well airbags can always be disabled if you choose to. Although I am not sure if your vehicle would pass state safety inspection (probably depends on your state).

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Posted: 2005/12/2 20:02  Updated: 2005/12/2 20:02
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Wow. You guys are tough on each other! I have browsed this site a few times and decided now is a good time to jump in and get my feet wet. I have been a Jeep-only guy since 1988. My first vehicle was a '79 CJ-7 Golden Eagle with the 304 and four speed. Not bad for a 16 yr. old kid at the time.....I am now working for a Chrysler/Jeep dealer and have been there nine years. Prior to that, I worked in yet another Jeep dealer that has since been sold to Lowe's home improvement chain! Ok- enough about me. The buzz about the major changes in Wrangler and the new entry-level Jeeps are mostly accurate. As far as the "mini-Jeeps" as I like to call them- they obviously are geared toward competing with Toyota, Hyundai, Suzuki and other mini-ute manufacturers. This is anew market for Jeep and honestly, a wise choice to jump into. We all know the vast majority of people with SUV's (even Jeep owners) don't ever take their junk off road. The new Jeeps are not trail rated, therfore will be less capable and less expensive. Perfect for the younger crowds or the petite soccer-moms...my personal favorite. They will all share the upcoming "world engines" platforms. These engine and driveline combinations are a joint effort from DCX, Hyundai (sorry) and Mitsubishi. Let's face the facts. Everything has gone global. Look in any store, any franchise. you will more likely see "MADE ELSEWHERE" rather than "MADE in USA". There are just not many true USA products anymore. I hate it, but it is reality and there is nothing any of us can do about it. It's not all gloom and doom, because these new vehicles are still going to have a very "American" appeal to them. I guess that must mean they will ride like a YJ?? Probably not, but I figure you guys pick on OOJ, so I will take a jab here and there too! All out of fun, of course.

As far as the Wrangler is concerned, unfortunately for the open-air tub-bodied Jeep lovers, our days are coming to a close. I'd love nothing more than to see the future with open-bodied vehicles, but the reality is they soon will be gone. I restore older CJ's as a hobby, so look me up if you want one built for you! They still will all be more than capable and probably remain better than the competition. I am not worried about Hummers, as they attract a whole different crowd anyway. You know not many of "those" guys take them off road. For the few that do, they wind up breaking most of the front end. Have any of you actually looked under one of those piles? Our Liberty is heavier in the front. Check out the clip on Big-Boys.com.

Safety is the number one concern in any manufacturer's design now, since 1996. That was the first year for major changes in vehicle safety, starting with dual airbags. Since that point in time, we have all noticed the commercials tend to lean more toward the safety of a vehicle rather than what it actually looks like or what engine is available! We are forced to embrace the technology. Look at the insurance industry and we can see the result of what happens when lawyers and engineers meet. I have a four month old boy to think about now, and would rather see him in an all airbagged-out something or other instead of my '74 CJ-6. Until, ofcourse, he is old enough to decide on his own!!

Anyhoo- keep the funny comments coming and feel free to ask me pretty much anything Jeep or DCX related. I have access to all the latest and greatest news before the new models arrive as part of our training regimen. If I can't answer a question for you, then I may need to look into a new career with that food chain that has the paper-mache' headed king scoring touchdowns in their commercials.

Take care and keep it Jeep!

BTW: The YJ's truly were a perfect waste of decent recycled sheet metal and oil. I made more money fixing those things that I did on Neon cars.....and do we really need to go down that road??

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Posted: 2005/10/28 15:09  Updated: 2005/10/28 15:09
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I find this amusing. The H4 is not very much competition for the Wrangler. A repurposed H3 architecture (which was a repurposed architecture to begin with) with IFS is not going to be a rock-crawling legend like the Wrangler.

While I am not one who thinks that solid axles need to be in every Jeep, they serve their purpose well in the Wrangler. While they are not necessary for normal trail riding, if you are looking to go ROCK CRAWLING, solid axles are the way to go. Not to mention the geniuses at GM choose to place a single locker in their vehicle. They should put in front and rear or ELSDs.

From what I have seen of the TK we have nothing to fear. All the techno-gadgetry that OOJ fears will be in the H4 also... because most of it is required or will be required by law within the next few years.

With the TK we will get not just one but two (possibly three) great rock-crawling vehicles to add to the already off-road capable Liberty, Grand Cherokee, and Commander.

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Posted: 2005/10/28 0:53  Updated: 2005/10/28 0:53
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Where's the Rollbar? (Mabye Poison Spyder Customs can whip one up)

I like it and I hate to say it, but I hope the TK is up to the task, because it looks like the H4 will be nipping at DCX's high heels.

Yeah, GM is an a world of Financial Fecal Fret, and what a better segment to capatilize on, the Small Heavy-Duty Carryall, Ragtop and Rollbar, Extreme Terrain Segment, otherwise known as the jeep (smallcase 'j') to make a shining comeback... (I seem to recall a purchase of an iconic utility vehicle by Chrysler one or two decades or so back that revitalized the entire Chrysler corporation).

An H4 would be reminiscent of the K5 Blazer with the removable rear hardtop, the early Bronco, or dare I say it, The Super Scout.

Im still a Jeep Guy, but DCX better make sure the Jeep stays a JEEP, otherwise I wont have a brand to stay loyal to, and may just have to migrate.

p.s. OOJ, the H4 WOULD beat the crap out of your YJ, by the advance of technology alone, a RAV4 would too.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2005/10/28 6:40  Updated: 2005/10/28 6:40
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Sorry, Dude. My YJ is the poster child for UN-Technology. That's why I like it so much. NO airbags,NO ABS,NO side curtain airbags, hose out interior;
I feel sorry for the chaps who have to buy the TK...all that its' gonna be is a "StayPuff" marshmallow with BIG tires...........

Is it true? What I heard about you?> That you just traded your RAV4 for a Liberty?

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Posted: 2005/10/27 18:14  Updated: 2005/10/27 18:14
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Is that IFS on the front of the H4? That's supposed to compete with the Jeep Wrangler? Whose the soft one?

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Posted: 2005/10/29 12:30  Updated: 2005/10/29 12:31
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I think at this point this Hummer "Concept" is not likely being displayed as it would be sold. Sure it might be IFS, but it might not be. Also it would likely have roll protection added later too. I suspect this is a simple exercise to test customer attitudes and get an idea of how well the style and overall concept appeals to potential customers.

I would be just like GM to show us a concept with IFS and then sell us a product with a more traditional live axle (which costs less to manufacture and sell).

No matter what the case may be I like this first peek. Personally I want a slick and ultra-capable new Wrangler. Oh, and I wish they would drop the Wrangler name I hate it, they should go back to simple nomenclature like "CJ" or "TJ", etc.

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Posted: 2005/10/27 17:35  Updated: 2005/10/27 17:35
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Well since DCX seems to be intent on slowly neutering the Jeep line with soft-utes and yuppie people haulers that are just oozing with leather and unnecessary tech gadgets this breath of "basic functionality" from Hummer is a pleasant surprise for me.

Actually, I don't look to see GM spinning off any cool specialty vehicles anytime soon since they are in a world of financial sh1t right now. But if they do I'd be looking seriously at an "H4" especially if DCX keeps watering down its vehicle lines and looks to completely lose their sense of heritage and off road prowess. I absolutely loved Hummer's H3 pickup truck concept that was show about a year and a half ago. This H4 looks good at this point and if it is as off road capable as I think it would be it would likely find a strong following, and if priced at a fair and realistic MSRP (unlike DCX's bloated TJ pricing) it could do well in the market place.

Oh by the way DCX, let me reiterate, if you build the Gladiator (in a 4cyl diesel) I will buy one.

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Posted: 2005/10/27 17:19  Updated: 2005/10/27 17:19
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Nice tires. unlike the Hip Hop rims on the commander in the commerical.

Jeeps starting to get soft. there turning into a bunch of metrosexuals. there forgeting there roots.

Nice to see someone still has balls out there.

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Anonymous
Posted: 2005/10/27 16:40  Updated: 2005/10/27 16:40
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See, I told ya's the sky IS falling...........

When GM is paying attention, they pay attention.
Just when Jeep and their silk tie wearing engineers decide that not "every jeep" needs to be Rubicon-Trail tested in order to be badged a JEEP;

Along comes GM with what? A H4 you say?

You mean a bare-bones/hose out the floor/diesel motor/and NO A/C and NO Radio?

In 2008?

Who'd want that?

Me.

IF my YJ dies of course...and we all know.....

It won't.
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