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Posted by mike on 2005/11/7 9:59:15 (3131) reads

MSN Autos has an article about the hits and misses of the 2005 auto year - surprisingly, the Liberty CRD is one of the most disappointing:

The gasoline-powered Liberty is a decent small SUV, although its V6 engine gets poor fuel economy (15 mpg overall). Offering a diesel engine in the Liberty seemed promising, especially if it were as refined as other diesels we've driven recently. But the diesel-powered Liberty CRD is noisy and slow, and gets only 18 mpg overall.

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XJGuy
Posted: 2006/1/12 22:25  Updated: 2006/1/12 22:25
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they don't know what they are talking about. my friend has a CRD and won't stop talking about it

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Posted: 2005/11/9 8:35  Updated: 2005/11/9 8:35
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EPA Fuel Estimates:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2001cartablef.jsp?id=22529

True Consumer Mileage:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=21596&details=on&browser=true

Note that the average consumer mileage was pretty much on par with the EPA estimates. Both were considerably above the laughable Consumer Reports estimate. These reports give the Liberty 102 miles greater in range per tank of gas than the Consumer Reports estimate.

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Posted: 2005/11/28 16:22  Updated: 2005/11/28 16:22
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My 2 cents.

I bought my '05 CRD in August....had to buy a vehicle I could drive clients around in for the new job to replace my '00 TJ. Imagine, some people don't like running round South Texas with the top off!!

Anyway, was looking for a JEEP mid-size SUV type vehicle...Grand Cherokee is much big for my uses. So I settled on the fully loaded Liberty Limited CRD. I am VERY happy with the decision. Only drawback is the clearance is a bit low for my tastes...will take care of that eventually with a lift kit.

5000 miles on it so far. Getting ~22 mpg in the city, ~26 to 28 on the highway depending on driving conditions. The CR guys were smokin something when they only got 11mpg!

Very intense torque...found this out pulling a rather large boat out of the lake last weekend in Southern MO. (didnt use the 4WD)

Much peppier than any other diesel I have ever driven...small lag at standstill, not bad when moving. Definitely takes off when the turbo kicks in.

Will be happier when biodiesel prices come down and its more readily available, also the low sulphur diesel will be available mid-next year, even further reducing emissions.

Take care all. Drop me a line if you have any other questions about my CRD!

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Posted: 2005/11/9 0:30  Updated: 2005/11/9 0:33
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I'd be willing to bet OOJ's pristine, heritage YJ that the guy who wrote this review didn't even step foot in the CRD to take a road test, and is probably some suck-up greenie trying in some flailing attempt to sway buyers away from buying a CRD...
I don't believe that he only got 18MPG. A diesel Excursion 7.3L Powerstroke gets 18MPG.

I have heard the CRD from the inside and out, and not only is it quiet, it is QUIETER than most gas engines (It is DEFINITELY quieter than OOJ's YJ engine), and probably runs cleaner than 90% of all the cars on the road. I sat behind one and did not detect a hint of an exhaust odor, I drove next to one while accelerating, and didn't hear a peep from the engine.

The bottom line is that even though diesels may emit a slightly higher amount of pollutants per mile, the overall impact on the environment is negated by the fact that one unit of crude oil produces 5 units of diesel, and only 4 units of gasoline (choose your standard of measurment).

Technology also permits the CRD and other new-generation diesels to run cleaner than the worn out, gross-polluting clunkers and beaters like OOJ's YJ that are still chugging along, despite the fact that their emissions system is only warranted for 100K miles.

If everyone drove CRD's, then we would consume less oil, simply by the fact that you can produce more gallons of diesel fuel from a barrrel of oil than gallons of gasoline, plus diesel engines can burn a much wider variety of bio-fuels, bio-blends, waste oils, and alternative fuels than a gasoline engine...

Heck, the corn cobs, leaves, and stalks used to make Ethanol can be converted into bio-diesel, as well as garbage waste from landfils...If anything, a CRD can clean up the environment.

Bring on the 3.0L V-6 CRD for the Commander, the Cherokee, and the Wrangler TK.

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Posted: 2005/11/7 10:34  Updated: 2005/11/7 10:34
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I think this is bad info.... The crd has all the power one would want and gas milege is excelent for the vehicle size and wieght. The next crd will be the commander 3.0 v6 mid to late next year, also check out the polar edition from the sema show its bad ass @ www.xkjeeps.com!!!!!

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Posted: 2005/11/7 12:51  Updated: 2005/11/7 12:51
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When you say mid to late next year do you mean 2006 or 2007 model year?

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Posted: 2005/11/7 20:39  Updated: 2005/11/7 20:39
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I don't know about the CRD but I own a 2003 Liberty Sport with a 3.7 and I have never gotten worse than 18 miles to the gallon with it! I generally I get 20 and that is combined driving. This has been a fantastic vehicle and very reliable. My wife will not part with it, it's her little jeep and she loves it!
Thank you, Dave

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Posted: 2005/11/8 8:16  Updated: 2005/11/8 8:16
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Same with my wife! Our 2005 Sport get about the same MPG. We've beat the crap out of it and it's been very realiable. I have a '97 TJ, which I prefer over the KJ 1000 to 1 - I only bought the Libby out of brand loyalty as a vehicle for my wife; but after a year, I'm very glad I did.

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Posted: 2005/11/8 0:53  Updated: 2005/11/8 0:53
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I agree Jason. My friend has one of these Liberty CRDs and recently got 30mpg on the highway. He also tows a boat and never gets 20mpg. He admints It isn't going to win any races with the 3.7L, unless they are towing uphill.
I think part of the problem is the survey participants and the vehicle they put the CRD in. Let me clarify, usually the Liberty is perceived as a light-duty 4WD, driven by Soccer-Moms at the muddy practice fields only, who cannot tell you why a Rubicon is better than a Wrangler X. Take this stereotype a little further and you can conclude that the same non-enthusiasts spend more time surfing MSN headlines than JeepNewsNow, the ToledoBlade, trukblog or Fourwheeler. There are exceptions I am sure.
I think this is where Jeep missed the target audience with the CRD, but I am also pleasantly surprised by the popularity of the Liberty CRD.
I hope Jeep does bring the 3.0L V6 CRD to market in the Commander and the 07 Wrangler, I think the additional torque and hp will more than offset the mpg difference.

[u][b][color=CC0000][font=Georgia]XOXO to all the Soccer-Moms![/font][/color][/b][/u]

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Posted: 2005/11/8 3:37  Updated: 2005/11/8 3:37
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Actually, I own 2 Jeeps and even I perceive the KJ to be mostly owned/driven by Soccer-Moms and non enthusiasts....

In my eyes and most of my Jeep Group the KJ is the 'Non-Jeeper Jeep'. Always has been; always will be the ugly cousin that you always hate to see show up for Thanksgiving Dinner.

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Posted: 2005/11/8 9:23  Updated: 2005/11/8 9:23
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 Re: Liberty CRD One of the Most Disappointing?
And that ugly uncle called the YJ!

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Posted: 2005/11/8 11:01  Updated: 2005/11/8 11:01
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I know quite a few soccer moms and non-enthusiasts are driving the GC these days... so your perception is probably correct, but limited.

BTW, in my family, everyone is accepted.

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Posted: 2005/12/7 9:58  Updated: 2005/12/7 9:58
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I went to check on the availabilty of a diesel Liberty in the fall of 2004. I wanted better mileage than the 16-18 I was getting from my Scrambler. I drive 800-1000 miles a week for work here in Vermont. The diesels were not available yet, and I don't think they will be sold in this Blue State because they are "too dirty", anyway I bought a left over Liberty Renegade with the 5 speed, I have 55000 miles on it now and get 22-24 mpg constantly. I am very happy with the mileage and the vehicle. I've had over a dozen CJs, a YJ and currently have a TJ over the last 33 years.
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