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Posted by Josephus on 2006/2/21 7:00:00 (4900) reads

The folks over at thecarconnection.com have reported that the European version of the new Wrangler will be offered with the 2.8L diesel engine.

"Like its standard two-door sibling, the new model will be powered by a 3.8-liter gasoline engine, plus an all-new 2.8-liter diesel for Europe."

Why won't DaimlerChrysler offer the diesel in the US?


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Posted: 2007/2/16 3:34  Updated: 2007/2/16 3:34
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 Re: No Diesel for US Wranglers Yet
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http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070205/FREE/70205002/1528/Introduction
When the Mercedes 2.2-liter OM651 is available in 2010, it eventually will replace all the VM Motori engines. VM 2.5L crd & VM 2.8Lcrd.

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Posted: 2006/3/8 1:56  Updated: 2006/3/8 1:56
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I'm from europe and all i can say is that Diesel is much more cost effective than gas. And it's much more better when you are driving a lot. At low-milage a gas-engine is better in europe because it's cheaper. But the gas-engines of what i'm speaking here is from 1000 ccm to 2000ccm!!
The only thing i miss on my diesel engine is the great sound of a 4L or higher engine. I'm driving a 2.5 L VM Diesel and i have the same torque like the 4L inline six.
The next step in europe is to reduce the fine-particle-emission. But all teh new diesel engines has a particle-filter so they are environmental friendly and ecomomic.
The claener the engines are the higher is the electronic usage in that cars. That could be bad due to durability, but our environment should be more important.
Hybrids are maybe more common in the states because of your long distnaces to go. Here in europe they are to expensive for that. But of course, they are maybe a way for the future.

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Posted: 2006/2/21 23:33  Updated: 2006/2/21 23:33
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Okay so here's my whole angle.
I like many Red Blooded Americans have several friends who have been shipped out to Iraq, to support our dependancy on foriegn oil. By offering a Hybrid Diesel Electric Wrangler you could effectively double or possibly triple the mileage over the gas version. If it is Bio-Diesel compatible you directly reduce the amount of foreign crude we purchase from OPEC. Keep our troops and dollars here in the US. Since Bio-Diesel is primarily soybean based we again help the US farmer. I understand DOD is looking for a diesel/electric HMMVEE replacement. The good publicity is limitless here. Jeep saves soldiers. Jeep saves dollars. Jeep saves farms. Give Americans the option to make a better choice. Where Jeep goes, the others will follow, like always.
That's it, my alterior motive for a diesel Wrangler. Now tell me it's not worth it...I triple-dawg dare ya.

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Posted: 2006/2/22 9:27  Updated: 2006/2/22 9:27
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I definitely do NOT disagree with you. I want to see the Bluetec diesel appear across the Jeep lineup. Want to win even more of the Jeep faithful, increase the 3.2L displacement to 4.0L. A 4.0L Bluetec would most likely generate over 300hp and over 500 lb/ft at 30+ mpg! The 4.0L designation would remind a lot of the Jeep faithful of the venerable 4.0L inline six that powers so many of our Cherokees, Wranglers, and pre-2005 Grand Cherokees. Even if they stick with the 3.2L displacement, the Bluetec is suitable for the Liberty, the Wrangler, the Grand Cherokee, AND the Commander.

I just feel the finance department at DCX feels that only being able to currently sell a diesel in like 45 states (with California being a huge market they can not sell in) would be too much of a headache. Hopefully that is their only excuse so that when low-sulpher diesel becomes available nationwide they will start US production of the diesel.

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Posted: 2006/2/23 6:56  Updated: 2006/2/23 6:56
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[url=http://www.allpar.com/mopar/Diesel.html]chrysler diesels in europe.[/url]
Grand cherokee never had a 3.2L diesel. As far as I know and seen on the internet. Grand cherokee 1994-2001 had a I-4 DD/VM 2.5L diesel, 1999-2001 I-5 DD/VM 3.1L diesel, 2002-2004 MB 2.7L crd I-5, and 2006 MB 3.0L crd V-6 218hp 376lb-ft.
As for a 4.0L diesel. The MB 4.0L crd V-8 314hp 730Nm/516lb-ft from ML420 cdi & G420 cdi would be cool.

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Posted: 2006/2/23 9:41  Updated: 2006/2/23 9:41
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The 3.2L is the displacement of the Bluetec diesel which has not been put in a PRODUCTION Grand Cherokee. However, it is rumored that it will appear in a 2007 1/2 Grand Cherokee for both US and Export.

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Posted: 2007/2/16 4:34  Updated: 2007/2/16 4:34
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http://www.whnet.com/4x4/diesel.html
For all the 2005 and older mercedes vehicles. The name plate usually matched the motor size. 2006 and newer doesn't do that. The old E320CDI 2005 uses the I-6 3.2Lcrd. Plus the old E270CDI uses the old I-5 2.7Lcrd. The 2006 E320CDI & E280CDI both use the new V-6 3.0Lcrd. Which chrysler uses in the 300C, 300C touring, Grand cherokee, & commander. This is the motor tied with the bluetec exaust system.
So when ever you see a Mercedes article that says V-6 and 3.2L crd. They are wrong. They are just taking the name plate of the vehicle and assuming the motor is the same size.

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Posted: 2006/2/22 9:54  Updated: 2006/2/22 9:54
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1. By tapping our own vast oil resources here at home (i.e., ANWAR, Gulf of Mexico, etc.), we wouldn't have to get oil from OPEC in the first place. Eco-wackos like you are preventing us from doing that b/c it might disturb the mating habits of some Caribou, so stop whining. Besides, blaming our involvement in Iraq on oil is old and tired - get a new line. I seem to recall this little matter of some folks flying aircraft into out buildings...remember that?

2. People don't want hybrids for a reason: They cost a lot more - it's simple economics. Plus, if everyone did have one, they would just drive more b/c they're getting better gas mileage, resulting in a net gain in atmospheric pollution and yet more fuel consumption.

Think before you speak and don't use the Jeep site as a forum for your liberal nonsense.

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Posted: 2006/2/22 10:28  Updated: 2006/2/22 11:32
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"Think before you speak and don't use the Jeep site as a forum for your liberal nonsense."

You should listen to your own advice. The issue isn't just the wildlife. Perhaps you should do your research before you step on your conservative soap box and tell other people to shut it.

Secondly, a decent hybrid might cost more, but the pollution is nearly non-existant. Most hybrids give off 80% less environmentally harmful emissions. So, why would that be a bad thing if there were more hybrids?

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Posted: 2006/2/23 0:09  Updated: 2006/2/23 0:13
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MajBags,
You certainly are entitled to your opinion. None of us will ever forget September 11th.

It was not a little matter.

I may be 15-20% Eco-Wacko, but I am 100% American wacko. And I would die trying to preserve your right to be wrong. Maybe this is the wrong place for me to air political opinions. But if we don't voice our opinions then things won't change.
Your point about people driving more because of better mileage is partially true, but certainly not double or triple like the mileage savings.
Liberal nonsense I will take proudly. One thing is for sure, the "triple-dawg dare" got some people talking and thinking.

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Posted: 2006/2/24 21:00  Updated: 2006/2/24 21:00
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I have done the reasearch, so I am not wrong.

If every person driving today had a hybrid, within 10 years we would be right back to where we are right now in terms of overall fuel consumption. That's the reality. So driving a hybrid might make you feel good about yourself, but in the end that's all it will do...except cost you more to buy it and maintain it.

I'm all for alternative fule technology, such as hydrogen, if htey can develop cost effective units, but hybrids ain't making the grade. The best thing Jeep can do right now is put Hemis with MDS in the 4-door version of the Wrangler.

Besides, a Jeep forum is the wrong place to air this stuff...Jeep enthusiasts want MORE horespower and resist technological change in general. You're better off at the Toyota Prius forum with the rest of the college professors.

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Posted: 2006/2/25 21:10  Updated: 2006/2/25 21:10
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Um, yeah. You sound like a ultra-conservative nut-job to me.

The point isn't JUST fuel economy. It's reduced emissions.

Plus, in 10 years, there will be more people driving than now. If we DON'T go to alternatives, we'll be using MORE fuel than we currently are.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to take my Cherokee over to the University to hang out with the rest of the college crowd.

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Posted: 2006/2/25 22:53  Updated: 2006/2/25 22:53
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MajBags,
I was coming from more of a Navy background where diesel electric subs were used prior to nuclear, and Siemens is still producing diesel electric trains today. The technology is over 80 years old so that should sit well with people who don't like NFTs (new fangled things).
Also, I seem to remember something about Jeepers occasionally having to pull out a Hummer with a Winch. Imagine the stucks we could winch our way out of with all that battery power on tap.
Finally I'd like to clarify that my original point is going to diesel, which requires less refining, will definitely save over gas. Having driven otherwise identical gasoline and diesel utility trucks for over 15 years the diesels just are better - All the way around. Did you know that you can get 50% better torque and 25% HP with a propane kit on a diesel? It's a catlyst and creates a better burn similar to gas on Nitrous. Not only that, but I'll have some steaks ready for you, on my gas grill - by the time you get back to the campsite.
Cheers!

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Posted: 2006/2/21 9:17  Updated: 2006/2/21 9:17
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I would expect the diesel to make it's debut in the US in the 2008 model year. This will allow the vehicle to be sold in all 50 states.

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Posted: 2006/2/21 17:05  Updated: 2006/2/21 17:05
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I'm not a marketing guy but would it not make good business sense to sell as many diesel's as you can if the market is ripe for the picking??? Put all surveys aside 90-95% of wrangler owners or soon to be owners would love to have that option now instead of a year or two from now. I could be wrong but if you have it, offer it. The european market is more geared twards the Liberty and grand's the wrangler is sort of an afterthought in europe. More money could be made here in the States by selling volume then a lower volume higher price in europe. ????????????
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